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		<title>Debating the leaders&#8217; debate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There has been a fair bit of chat in recent weeks about the prospect of a televised leaders&#8217; debate in the run-up to the next general election. This sort of chat always comes up in the run-up to any election, but there appears to be an extra momentum this time round. It seems as though [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been a fair bit of chat in recent weeks about the prospect of a televised leaders&#8217; debate in the run-up to the next general election. This sort of chat always comes up in the run-up to any election, but there appears to be an extra momentum this time round.</p>
<p>It seems as though the promise by Sky News to televise a debate come what may &#8212; even if the debate was between tubs of lard &#8212; has forced everyone&#8217;s hand, broadcasters and political parties alike. It seems as though now it is going to happen, with the involvement of all the major broadcasters. It also appears as though the three main party leaders are on board (albeit with varying degrees of enthusiasm).</p>
<p>The end of the issue? Of course not. This is just the beginning of the matter. More details will need to be fleshed out. What format should such a debate take? Will there be a number of separate debates? And what about the role of smaller parties?</p>
<p>I am normally fairly ambivalent about calls for televised political debates. Those politicians who call for such a debate usually do so because they perceive that it would advantage them.</p>
<p>Someone like David Cameron will go for it because he is a confident performer, the momentum is behind him and the media appears to have declared him the winner already. Someone like Gordon Brown will reject it because he does not come across so well on television. This time he has been forced into it, partly because of Sky News&#8217; promise to &#8220;empty chair&#8221; him if he didn&#8217;t, but also because refusing to appear would further the idea that Brown is a coward with poor leadership qualities.</p>
<p>The prospect of a televised political debate fills me with dread rather than excitement. I doubt it does much for democratic accountability. Part of me suspects that vain politicians just crave appearances on the television.</p>
<p>No doubt we will be served up a rather unedifying spectacle, like PMQs on steroids. I predict Punch and Judy politics a-plenty. Most likely, as with Question Time, it will be a platform for the most appalling demagoguery, complete with an audience that will clap like seals at any old nonsense.</p>
<p>Most of all, I think the idea of a leaders&#8217; debate just misses the point. While it is useful to know what the major party leaders think, focusing on leaders too much is damaging to the health of our parliamentary democracy. Once again, there is a clamour to bring to Britain a feature of US politics which is a square peg in a round hole.</p>
<p>Televised debates are highly popular in the USA. But that is because the format is practically ready-made for the US political system. For one, the US system is a Presidential system, meaning that voters actually do elect the country&#8217;s leader. The US system is also a truly two-party system, with two Leviathans totally overshadowing any minority candidates. This makes it easy to adopt a one-on-one, head-to-head debating format.</p>
<p>Even though the televised debate is more-or-less a perfect fit for a US Presidential election, the format&#8217;s success is a matter for debate. In years gone by it may have provided some election-defining moments. But as I recall, the debates involving Barack Obama and John McCain, and Joe Biden and Sarah Palin, hardly set the world alight.</p>
<p>So what on earth makes anyone think that this gimmick will suit British politics? It seems like just another outcome of politicos&#8217; obsession with America. It seems like the idea of someone who has mistaken his DVD box set of The West Wing for real pornography.</p>
<p>Our Parliamentary system doesn&#8217;t &#8212; or at least shouldn&#8217;t &#8212; place so much focus on party leaders. Very few voters will actually have any sort of say on who the Prime Minister is. I will have the option to vote for or against Gordon Brown, but only because I happen to live in his constituency of Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath. I will have no say whatsoever on David Cameron or Nick Clegg.</p>
<p>And what of the smaller parties? In the UK, broadcasters are required to be impartial in the run-up to an election, meaning that legally broadcasters will find it difficult to lock out the small parties. Even if these other parties have little or no chance of forming the government. Even if most viewers will not be as interested in hearing from these parties.</p>
<p>The most noise is being made by the SNP. They are <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/8289367.stm">threatening legal action</a> if an SNP representative is unable to play a part in a televised leaders&#8217; debate.</p>
<p>The SNP may have a point. Even though they have only a handful of MPs, and are only contesting seats in a portion of the UK, they have a lot of support in that portion. They are not a loony fringe party. They are in fact in government in the UK. Viewers north of the border will certainly be interested to hear what the SNP have to say in the run-up to the election.</p>
<p>At the same time, their presence may be a distraction from the real purpose of the debate, which is basically to watch the potential future Prime Ministers partake in a spot of verbal mud-wrestling. It is, after all, a &#8220;leaders&#8217; debate&#8221;. Despite all his ambition, Alex Salmond is highly unlikely to be the next Prime Minister, as is Angus Robertson.</p>
<p>Yet, what if there is the prospect of a hung Parliament? The collapse in Labour support has not been met with a real surge in support for the Conservatives. With so many parties having moderate levels of support, it is conceivable that a party like the SNP could play a king-maker role.</p>
<p>There is no easy answer. This is the core problem with the idea of a televised debate. It might be good for a simple, true two party system such as the USA&#8217;s. But for the UK&#8217;s more subtle and diverse politics, it won&#8217;t fit quite so well.</p>
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		<title>Five disturbing things about democracy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here it is: that post I&#8217;ve been sitting on for upwards of a year. Before I start, I am going to make a few introductory notes about what I do and don&#8217;t mean when I call democracy disturbing. I find that all too often debates about this subject are clouded by dogma, which leads to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='series_toc'><h3>The decision to vote</h3><p>A series of posts</p><ol><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/29/a-pathetic-situation/' title='A pathetic situation'>A pathetic situation</a></li><li>Five disturbing things about democracy</li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/02/how-should-politics-be-reformed-part-1/' title='How should politics be reformed?: Part 1'>How should politics be reformed?: Part 1</a></li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/03/how-the-new-politics-might-look-part-2/' title='How the new politics might look: part 2'>How the new politics might look: part 2</a></li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/03/european-election-leaflets-the-main-parties/' title='European election leaflets: The main parties'>European election leaflets: The main parties</a></li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/04/european-parliamentary-election-literature-small-parties/' title='European Parliamentary Election literature: small parties'>European Parliamentary Election literature: small parties</a></li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/04/a-second-opinion/' title='A second opinion'>A second opinion</a></li><li><a href='http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/06/04/i-decided-and-i-decided-to-vote/' title='I decided! And I decided to vote'>I decided! And I decided to vote</a></li></ol></div><p> <p>Here it is: that post I&#8217;ve been sitting on for upwards of a year. Before I start, I am going to make a few introductory notes about what I do and don&#8217;t mean when I call democracy disturbing. I find that all too often debates about this subject are clouded by dogma, which leads to poor thinking and boilerplate arguments.</p>
<p>Before some cheesy person wheels out that Churchill quote about democracy being the worst system apart from all the other systems, yes of course I have heard it. And it is true. I am a democrat because I believe it brings about favourable conditions. For instance, there is the correlation between democratisation and higher GDP per capita. (Whether democracy is cause or effect does not matter. If the value of the higher GDP per capita is greater than the cost of democracy per head &#8212; as it almost certainly is &#8212; then democracy is a price worth paying.)</p>
<p>Furthermore, I should define more closely what I mean by democracy. Most of the flaws I will point out are actually problems with <em>elections</em> rather than democracy as a whole. Aspects of democracy such as civil liberties, human rights, freedom of speech, the rule of law, due process, and so on and so forth, are of course things that I am deeply supportive of. This will become clear in my first point.</p>
<p>I tackle the issue not from an anti-democratic perspective. Far from it. My problem is with the approach which sees democracy almost like a religion which ought not be questioned &#8212; what Bryan Caplan in his book <i><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0691138737?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=doctorvee-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=19450&#038;creativeASIN=0691138737">The Myth of the Rational Voter</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=doctorvee-21&#038;l=as2&#038;o=2&#038;a=0691138737" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></i> called &#8220;democratic fundamentalists&#8221;:</p>
<blockquote><p>Its purest expression is the cliché, attributed to failed 1928 presidential candidate Al Smith, that &#8220;All the ills of democracy can be cured by more democracy.&#8221; In other words, <em>no matter what happens</em>, the case for democracy remains untouched.</p></blockquote>
<p>No case should remain untouched. That is why, for me, there is not enough scrutiny placed on democracy. There is a fear of investigating it, because the benefits of democracy are perceived to be so self-evident that anyone who stops to ask what the disadvantages are is instantly regarded as a fool. That must be dangerous. If we agree that the system is imperfect, the only way to improve the situation is to investigate it and have an awareness of what the problems are.</p>
<p>Just as a final point, much of my thinking in this area came about as a result of the research I did for my dissertation, which was about the &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_voting">paradox of voting</a>&#8220;. In case you want to read more about voting behaviour, I have <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/proposed-solutions-to-the-paradox-of-voting-an-assessment-of-the-role-of-economics-in-explaining-why-people-vote/">uploaded my dissertation here</a>.</p>
<p>Having got all of the caveats and explanations out of the way, it is time to move on to my five points.</p>
<h3>1. Democracy is not guaranteed to uphold freedoms</h3>
<p>This is more or less a rehash of <a href="http://devilskitchen.me.uk/2009/04/democracy-is-not-given-good.html">The Devil&#8217;s Kitchen&#8217;s post</a> which <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/29/a-pathetic-situation/">I referred to yesterday</a>. Above I said that &#8220;aspects such as civil liberties, human rights, freedom of speech, the rule of law, due process&#8221; are important. Arguably, these have all taken a battering by recent democratically elected governments.</p>
<p>Wave goodbye to your right to peacefully protest, have a fair trial and take photographs in public. Say hello to ID cards, the database state, endless reams of CCTV footage, mass DNA collection, control orders, detention without charge and extraordinary rendition. Thanks, democracy!</p>
<h3>2. Tyranny of the minority</h3>
<p>Most people are familiar with the concept of the tyranny of the majority. Thanks to the system of democracy adopted in this country, it doesn&#8217;t even take a majority to construct a tyranny. In the 2005 General Election, 9,562,122 people voted for Labour candidates. Assuming a population of 60 million, this translates to around 16% of the population.</p>
<p>The votes of this small percentage of the UK&#8217;s citizens has given the Labour Party 55% of the seats in the House of Commons, a majority of 67 seats. What gives the government the right to rule the country with such dominance? Not the people, that&#8217;s for sure. Only 16% of the people expressed a preference for the current government. In fact it is the way the system is constructed, and nothing else, which gives Labour its &#8220;legitimacy&#8221;.</p>
<p>That brings me neatly on to&#8230;</p>
<h3>3. The system can&#8217;t be fixed</h3>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem">Arrow&#8217;s Impossibility Theorem</a> states that there can be no voting system which will be able to fulfil a number of desirable criteria:</p>
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<li>The Pareto principle — if everyone prefers <i>x</i> to <i>y</i> then <i>y</i> should not be elected</li>
<li>Anonymity — every voter should be treated equally</i>
<li>Neutrality — every candidate should be treated equally</i>
<li>Independence of irrelevant alternatives — the ability of <i>x</i> and <i>y</i> to win an election should not be affected by the entrance of a candidate <i>z</i></li>
<li>Transitivity — if <i>x</i> is preferred to <i>y</i> and <i>y</i> is preferred to <i>z</i> then <i>x</i> should be preferred to <i>z</i></li>
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<p>Independence of irrelevant alternatives is the one that riles up proponents of electoral reform the most. Just think of Ralph Nader, or the farcical events of the 2002 French Presidential election. In this case, the voting system is far more important than the voters themselves. The fifth item on the list refers to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_paradox">Condorcet&#8217;s paradox</a>, whereby attempts to find a winner of the election leads you on an endless circle.</p>
<p>We can argue among ourselves about which voting system should be adopted. But (and I&#8217;m not saying this will necessarily come as a surprise to anyone), you will never find a system that will please everyone. It will be a matter of choosing the least worst option, as every system has a fatal flaw of some kind. For what it&#8217;s worth, my preference is Single Transferable Vote &#8212; but that&#8217;s a matter for a different post in the future.</p>
<p>For more along these lines, <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/12/17/electoral-reform-a-different-answer/">read this post</a> about a talk I attended a couple of years ago. It was given by economist Eric Maskin en route to collecting his Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics. He had some very interesting views on electoral reform.</p>
<h3>4. An individual vote is almost worthless</h3>
<p>If you are concerned with affecting the course of history by having your say on major political issues, going to cast your vote in an election is more or less a complete waste of your time and energy. It is said that you are more likely to be killed on your way to the polling station than to actually cast the deciding vote.</p>
<p>The probability the the outcome of an election will hinge on your vote is minuscule. Even under the fanciful assumption that in a two candidate US Presidential election each other person is likely vote for either candidate with a probability of 0.5, the probability that your vote will be the deciding vote is 0.00006.</p>
<p>Yet the costs of voting are actually rather large. You have to spend time and possibly money learning about each of the candidates and their policies. The time and money spent travelling to the polling booth is not exactly negligible in the context of the minuscule probability of your vote actually meaning a damn thing.</p>
<p>Of course, this doesn&#8217;t mean that voting is wrong. People don&#8217;t vote because they believe it will affect the outcome. They vote because it makes them feel good. But the fact that you need to resort to non-instrumental incentives in order to justify the act of voting leaves wide open the possibility that people with bad motives (or motives with bad effects) are more likely to vote&#8230;</p>
<h3>5. Many who do vote base their decision on prejudices</h3>
<p>In his very interesting book <i><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0691138737?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=doctorvee-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=19450&#038;creativeASIN=0691138737">The Myth of the Rational Voter</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=doctorvee-21&#038;l=as2&#038;o=2&#038;a=0691138737" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /></i>, Bryan Caplan said that the fact that people vote can be explained by the fact that they like to hold certain political beliefs. Let&#8217;s call our voter a sheep. He may hold suboptimal opinions and support policies that would actually make him worse off. This might be due to social pressures, a sense of self-image or whatever. It is, after all, all too common to meet someone who votes Labour just because their dad did.</p>
<p>It is precisely because a person&#8217;s vote is so worthless that sheep are encouraged to vote. They like to go and vote because it makes them feel good, reaffirms to themselves their ideological loyalty and so on. But sheep never stop to think if the policies they support would make them worse off. They don&#8217;t have to because their vote doesn&#8217;t matter anyway. The cost of ideological loyalty is low. Indeed, the benefits of it are enough to outweigh the costs of voting.</p>
<p>Those who hold no strong ideological loyalties, and who may therefore be expected to enter the polling booth ready to judge fairly based on all of the information they have gathered, are actually far less likely to vote. This is because they feel no warm glow from the act of voting for their favoured party.</p>
<p>As such, the traits of voters are the sort of traits you would normally expect to find on a football terrace. They will trudge along to express their tribal feelings, and will keep on doing so even in the driving rain, even if their football team is rubbish and the game is low-quality.</p>
<p>One might say that the political party you support is rubbish and the state of politics just now is low-quality. Who wants to buy a season ticket? Is it not better to leave that sort of behaviour on the football terraces?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The shock is not so much that Labour won. I had a feeling in my water as long as a month ago that Labour might win, even when the bookies and the pundits were saying otherwise. But the scale of Labour&#8217;s victory must have shocked everyone. Yesterday, the BBC&#8217;s coverage began on the premise that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The shock is not so much that <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7714670.stm">Labour won</a>. I had a feeling in my water <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/10/10/could-labour-actually-win-in-glenrothes/">as long as a month ago</a> that Labour might win, even when the bookies and the pundits were saying otherwise. But the scale of Labour&#8217;s victory must have shocked everyone.</p>
<p>Yesterday, the BBC&#8217;s coverage began on the premise that it was &#8220;too close to call&#8221; or that, if anything, the SNP had squeaked it. Jim Murphy was making his excuses early (and doing a fairly good job of it, it has to be said). Coming towards midnight, it became clearer that Labour had won. The SNP were saying they hoped to have halved Labour&#8217;s majority.</p>
<p>Even with that knowledge, the scale of Labour&#8217;s victory when it was finally announced amazed me. The SNP hadn&#8217;t even halved Labour&#8217;s majority. In fact, Labour&#8217;s vote actually went <em>up</em> from the 2005 General Election result. The only real consolation the SNP can have is that the swing was 5% from Labour to the SNP. Even so, that looks minuscule compared to the swing of 22.5% achieved just a few months ago in Glasgow East.</p>
<p>There are all sorts of reasons why the SNP will be disappointed with this result. First of all, Glenrothes must have been a target seat for them anyway, even before this by-election was announced, with the SNP having won the similar Fife Central seat in the 2007 Scottish Parliament election. When Labour was in its trough of popularity, the SNP must have thought Christmas had come early.</p>
<p>Labour&#8217;s campaign had seemed like a total shambles. I do not live in the constituency so I haven&#8217;t seen any of the literature, but I have heard some bad things about it. Sarah Brown&#8217;s well-publicised visit to Cardenden was a complete botch job, and Gordon Brown&#8217;s visit to a cafeteria wasn&#8217;t much better.</p>
<p>Labour did not need a superstar candidate either. Lindsay Roy is a very nervy and uncomfortable performer on the television. However, it looks as though that actually played into his hands. Labour emphasised the fact that Lindsay Roy is not a career politician, and his track record of being out in the &#8220;real world&#8221; helping out Fife&#8217;s schoolchildren must have gained him a few votes.</p>
<p>As an aside, I doubt that Lindsay Roy actually wanted to become MP. He certainly didn&#8217;t look overjoyed at having won, and even after it was clear that Labour had won his body language seemed pretty negative to me. I have heard it said that Lindsay Roy wanted to retire from headteaching anyway and that he saw this as the ideal opportunity to get an early retirement. He probably thought he had no chance of winning.</p>
<p>There is also the fact that the SNP Scottish Government was still in its honeymoon period. Some people are reluctant to say that the honeymoon is over, but there is no doubt that this is at least a slap in the face.</p>
<p>Let us not forget that one of the SNP&#8217;s flagship policies was designed to please Fifers in particular. The SNP must have thought that the abolition of <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/03/02/reasons-to-favour-road-tolls/">bridge tolls</a> would have secured a few votes in Fife. Glenrothes in particular is within comfortable commuting distance of both Edinburgh and Dundee, meaning that many residents will be frequent users of both the Forth and Tay Road Bridges. The fact that the voters of Glenrothes in particular have given the SNP the cold shoulder is a major snub.</p>
<p>Nationalists may counter that Fife is fertile territory for Labour. Time and again I saw pundits on the television saying that Labour benefited from a &#8220;halo effect&#8221; spilling over into Glenrothes. Fifers, apparently, are proud that Gordon Brown is Prime Minister.</p>
<p>Let me just say, as someone who has lived in Fife all my life, that this is a complete load of tosh. Since Gordon Brown became Prime Minister, I have never heard anyone say that they are proud that the PM is a Fifer. In fact, I have sometimes heard people wonder out aloud how it could possibly be that Kirkcaldy can have such high unemployment when the Prime Minister represents the constituency. (I once heard someone say, referring to the perceived unwillingness of Gordon Brown to help his local area, that Kirkcaldy has the highest rate of unemployment in the country, although I doubt that.)</p>
<p>Fife is not Labour loopy. Yesterday there was the opportunity for three of the four constituencies in Fife to be represented by a party other than Labour, leaving just Gordon Brown&#8217;s seat in tact. That didn&#8217;t happen. But the fact is that the Kingdom of Fife has the capacity to elect any one of three parties. As such, Glenrothes&#8217;s decision to vote for Labour should not simply be batted away because it was supposedly as &#8220;safe seat&#8221;. According to Alex Salmond, there is no such thing as a safe Labour seat these days, and Glenrothes certainly wasn&#8217;t one for the reasons outlined above.</p>
<p>The SNP may complain about the negativity of Labour&#8217;s campaign. But they should be alarmed that it worked. In retrospect, the decision of the SNP to select Fife Council leader Peter Grant as candidate must be seen as a major tactical error. The Labour Party was able to tap into some real dissatisfaction that people have with Fife Council at the moment.</p>
<p>Because of the complexities of this situation, it is not exactly clear what message the voters were sending out. There is no doubt that there was a message of some sort. But was it a verdict on the Labour government in Westminster? Was it a vote of confidence in Gordon Brown? Was it about sending a message to Holyrood? Or was it about punishing the leader of Fife Council?</p>
<p>Whichever, the SNP should take this seriously. I have no reason to doubt that they will, and the reaction from SNP members&#8217; blogs is sober and reflective (see, for instance, <a href="http://scotsandindependent.blogspot.com/2008/11/roth-of-gods.html">Richard Thomson</a>). There was some real evidence that the SNP were becoming complacent with their position. In the run-up to the election it was looking as though the SNP was giddy on power.</p>
<p>Alex Salmond&#8217;s supreme confidence was completely misplaced. And his attempt to <a href="http://holyroodchronicles.blogspot.com/2008/11/yes-we-can.html">attach himself to Barack Obama&#8217;s election</a> as US President was crass in the extreme. Voters can smell this sort of thing a mile off, and I&#8217;d be amazed if it didn&#8217;t cost the SNP votes.</p>
<p>It is no longer enough to rely on the dissatisfaction with the Labour Party that many people have. With Labour&#8217;s vote having gone up, it&#8217;s pretty clear that they benefited from some serious tactical voting, with the Conservatives and the Lib Dems being squeezed. If this election shows anything, it is that while Labour are unpopular among many voters, the SNP are also loathed among many others.</p>
<p>A word on the Lib Dems, who <a href="http://anything-caron-can-do.blogspot.com/2008/11/ouch-that-was-bloody-painful.html">must be</a> <a href="http://carons-musings.blogspot.com/2008/11/glenrothes-post-game-analysis.html">very disappointed</a>. For the second Scottish by-election in a row, they have come in fourth and lost their deposit. Glenrothes is practically sandwiched in between two Lib Dem constituencies &#8212; Dunfermline and West Fife and North East Fife. While there is no reason to automatically assume that the Lib Dems should therefore win Glenrothes, they must be disappointed by their complete inertia just now.</p>
<p>It is tough for smaller parties in by-elections anyway. But the current political climate cannot be doing them many favours. Despite PR, Scotland is beginning to look a bit like a two party system. In the 2007 Scottish Parliament elections, one of the biggest changes was the almost complete disappearance of the small parties. Now it looks as though both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems are wilting in a highly charged political atmosphere that pits the SNP versus Labour, leaving little room for much else.</p>
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		<title>The paradox of the paradox of voting</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wrote my dissertation about the paradox of voting, which is the problem that rational choice theorists have in explaining why people vote. You are more likely to be killed on the way to the polling station than affect the result once you&#8217;re inside it &#8212; so why vote? The puzzle interested me as soon [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote my <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/proposed-solutions-to-the-paradox-of-voting-an-assessment-of-the-role-of-economics-in-explaining-why-people-vote/">dissertation</a> about the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_voting">paradox of voting</a>, which is the problem that rational choice theorists have in explaining why people vote. You are more likely to be killed on the way to the polling station than affect the result once you&#8217;re inside it &#8212; so why vote? The puzzle interested me as soon as I heard of it and I still often think about it.</p>
<p>The answer is that people take into account not just the instrumental benefits of voting. They also take into account a variety of factors that can be loosely gathered under the umbrella term of &#8220;civic duty&#8221;. The benefits that people get from performing their civic duty outweigh the costs of voting.</p>
<p>But what about people who clearly go way beyond the call of civic duty? This guy <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/on-the-trail-republican-drives-600-miles-to-vote-for-obama/">travelled 600 miles just to vote</a> in the US Presidential election (<a href="http://thesoundofgunfire.blogspot.com/2008/10/thats-dedication-for-you.html">via Bernard Salmon</a>).</p>
<p>That is a puzzle to me. But it is clear that this election is enthusing people to an extent that may never have been seen before. Barack Obama in particular is said to have engaged young people and black people in the US political process like never before. Early voting numbers are reported to be high. And now a person whose family has voted Republican for three generations has driven 600 miles to vote for Barack Obama.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering that it&#8217;s not just Obama that is creating this extra interest. I heard a woman on the radio a few days ago saying that she will be voting for the first time in her life &#8212; for John McCain. She doesn&#8217;t trust Obama because of his inexperience.</p>
<p>It looks like the USA sees itself as being at an important cross-roads, for a whole host of reasons. They want to get this decision right.</p>
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		<title>Could Labour actually win in Glenrothes?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Given that the news and most of everyone&#8217;s thoughts on current affairs are currently dominated by the problems in the global financial system, it is easy to let relatively minor things like a by-election slip your mind. But when I turned my thoughts to the upcoming Glenrothes by-election and politics in general a few days [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that the news and most of everyone&#8217;s thoughts on current affairs are currently dominated by the problems in the global financial system, it is easy to let relatively minor things like a by-election slip your mind. But when I turned my thoughts to the upcoming Glenrothes by-election and politics in general a few days ago, it struck me that the political narrative is quite different to the way it was, say, a month ago.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny. When the credit crunch was only a moderately bad pickle, Gordon Brown seemed like an incompetent, bumbling fool. Now when it is full-on, sirens wailing, women-and-children-first time, that has changed.</p>
<p>He is not quite a god, but people are no longer questioning his leadership all the time. People have noticed that he seems more confident. He certainly seems to have a spring in his step. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7660293.stm">He has even been cracking jokes</a>! And people laughed at them!</p>
<p>When it was only Northern Rock that had gone belly-up, Gordon Brown was regarded as an idiot. Now they&#8217;ve all gone belly-up, he is a genius! I am being facetious, although <a href="http://snptacticalvoting.blogspot.com/2008/10/browns-conflict-of-interest.html">Jeff has pointed out the conflict of interest</a> that is at play here.</p>
<p>Because while it was cheesy and <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/10/02/do-they-have-to-make-it-so-blatant/">I didn&#8217;t like it</a>, the &#8220;it&#8217;s no time for a novice, ZING!&#8221; line worked. It made you think about who else might be in charge and no matter how bad you think Gordon Brown is, in a lot of ways it plays into the conservatism that is part of human nature. Better the devil you know.</p>
<p>There has been some talk about an <a href="http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/10/09/the-bail-out-is-labour-reaping-the-benefit/">apparent rebound</a> in Labour&#8217;s popularity. <a href="http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1495">Anthony Wells adds a significant note of caution</a> to that.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been suggested that <a href="http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2008/10/07/is-labour-recovering-in-places-where-it-doesnt-matter/">Labour&#8217;s polling boost is confined</a> to its heartlands. That would usually be bad news for Labour. But if it&#8217;s true that Labour&#8217;s boost is amplified in Scotland, that could potentially bring them right back in the hunt for Glenrothes.</p>
<p>I imagine SNP activists have always approached this by-election believing they have a fight on their hands to win the constituency. But they will surely be hugely disappointed if they lose.</p>
<p>For one thing, this constituency must have been on their radar anyway after they won the roughly analogous Fife Central seat in last year&#8217;s Scottish Parliament election. Then the SNP spectacularly won the Glasgow East by-election. This by-election came at a time when Labour were at their lowest ebb.</p>
<p>The &#8216;dithering&#8217; image that Labour have built up over the past year or so was not helped much by their apparent decision to delay the by-election for as long as possible. And their choice of date (only recently announced, but rumoured for a long time) of 6 November looked an awful lot like they wanted to bury the bad news under the aftermath of the US Presidential election. They might as well have just written &#8220;we&#8217;re gonna lose!&#8221; on their election literature.</p>
<p>But now the decision to delay is looking a bit smarter to me. It&#8217;s really interesting because I think previously the general view was that the UK as a whole had fallen out with Brown in particular, but Scotland fell out with Labour as a whole. And the SNP&#8217;s honeymoon period in the Scottish Parliament made that double trouble for Labour. Now it looks like all of those trends may be reversing somewhat.</p>
<p>The rebound in Labour&#8217;s popularity and the renewed confidence in Gordon Brown&#8217;s leadership bodes well for Labour. Then there is the fact that, <a href="http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1495">as Anthony Wells pointed out</a>, there is little space for opposition parties to grab many headlines at the moment.</p>
<p>Of course, there are still almost four weeks to go and a lot can happen in that time. And the fact that the SNP still have a great chance of winning Glenrothes, ostensibly a safe Labour seat (no matter whether or not the SNP took Fife Central last year), shows how far Labour have fallen.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, today I think Labour have a much better chance of winning Glenrothes than they did, say, a month ago. And <a href="http://oddpolitics.blogspot.com/2008/10/glenrothes-prices-on-snp-victory-slip.html">according to this blog</a>, the bookmakers have moved away from an SNP win recently.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that all politicos have a major boner for American politics and that this year is just one non-stop wet dream. But do our lot have to make their affection quite so blatant? As Alex Massie noted a last week, at the Labour Party conference, Gordon Brown was setting himself up as the experienced [...]]]></description>
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<p>I know that all politicos have a major boner for American politics and that this year is just one non-stop wet dream. But do our lot have to make their affection quite so blatant?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.debatableland.com/the_debatable_land/2008/09/browns-salvage-operation.html">As Alex Massie noted a last week</a>, at the Labour Party conference, Gordon Brown was setting himself up as the experienced man who can lead the country through these choppy waters. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7630567.stm">As he said</a>, &#8220;This is no time for a novice. Zing!&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>He is betting that, come the election, voters will choose &#8220;experience&#8221; over &#8220;change&#8221;. Does that sound familiar?</p></blockquote>
<p>Today, David Cameron appeared to deliberately counter Gordon Brown&#8217;s line. He is &#8220;a man with a plan (<a href="http://twitter.com/jamesgraham/statuses/942170007">on a canal in Panama</a>)&#8221;. (Sorry to <a href="http://www.theliberati.net/quaequamblog/">James Graham</a> for stealing his joke.)</p>
<p>He continued <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7645053.stm">by saying</a>, &#8220;it&#8217;s not experience we need; it&#8217;s character and judgement.&#8221; He then did his best Bowie impression and used the word &#8216;change&#8217; 20 times during his speech.</p>
<p>Do these guys really need to copy everything that happens in America? I mean, Gordon Brown&#8217;s wife was brought out in front of the Labour Conference as though she is a First Lady. David Cameron spent a minute or two talking about his wife (with a bit of cringe worthy Carry On-lite humour packaged with it), as though I give a monkey&#8217;s who his wife is.</p>
<p>Now correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, but I always had the impression that the job of a First Lady is to provide a kind of ceremonial role, waving at the crowds and the like, because the USA (and France, and wherever) doesn&#8217;t have a royal family to do all that sort of stuff. Well the UK <em>does</em> have a royal family to do all that sort of stuff! Besides, Carla Bruni they are not (despite <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1065935/Samantha-Cameron-takes-leaf-Carla-Brunis-style-bible-wows-Jackie-O-chic.html">what <i>The Daily Mail</i> tries to tell you</a>.)</p>
<p><img src="http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/george-osborne-death-stare.jpg" alt="George Osborne gives Dave the evil laser death stare" title="George Osborne death stare" class="picture" /> Meanwhile, David Cameron was doing that awful thing where he looked as though he was <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/06/white-elephants-and-ridiculous-asses/">facing the wrong direction</a>. At least this time the people over his shoulder were recognisable faces rather than unknown greasy pole climbers-in-waiting. Unfortunately, George Osborne looked like he was constantly giving David Cameron an evil laser death stare. Watch him in the videos and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
<p>Another amusing aside to the conferences is <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7647037.stm">the BBC&#8217;s word clouds</a>. I couldn&#8217;t help but notice that Gordon Brown &#8212; leader of the Labour Party which distrusts people so much that it wants to issue you with a biometric ID card if you want to so much as scratch your arse &#8212; mentioned the word &#8220;people&#8221; more than any other word.</p>
<p>David Cameron &#8212; leader of the Conservative Party that is supposed to hate big government &#8212; used the word, er, &#8220;government&#8221; more than any other word.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Nick Clegg, leader of the Lib Dems &#8212; the party that is said to sit on the fence on every matter &#8212; used both words an equally high number of times. At least one of the parties is true to form.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s loathsome and it comes around once every four years. No, I&#8217;m not talking about the <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/08/09/why-i-cant-stand-the-olympics-and-the-snp/">Olympics</a>. I&#8217;m on about American politics.</p>
<p>A lot of people get themselves really jazzed with American politics. I mean, I get it &#8212; the President of the USA is an important person, so it&#8217;s good to keep up with events. But some people actually seem to enjoy it. Are they sadists?</p>
<p>For the past two weeks my favourite radio programme <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/programmes/upallnight.shtml">Up All Night</a> has been hijacked by these American politicos talking enormous amounts of horsey-poo. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/drkarl/">Dr Karl&#8217;s excellent science podcast</a> was this week unbearably difficult to listen to because presenter Rhod Sharp was sitting there in Denver surrounded by lots of people cheering. (To add insult to injury, the podcast was less than half the length it normally is.)</p>
<p>The thing about these party conventions in America is that they always seem so detached from reality. I know this is not an original comparison, but it really is like pantomime. A politician can say the most banal, boring thing with a clumsy delivery, but the crowd will still cheer and applaud like crazy. Bring up the enemy and they boo and hiss. And at the end of the day you will still be no clearer about what anyone will actually do if they are elected.</p>
<p>And speaking of the applause, and the cheering and the whooping. What is with it? I wandered into a room that had the Democratic Convention on the television last week. All that was happening was some kind of upbeat music was playing, and the people were cheering and whooping and dancing. I must have been in the room for three or four minutes. I left before anyone actually uttered a single word. I mean, what is this? The world&#8217;s biggest laughter therapy class?</p>
<p>When I see stuff like that, it just makes me think everyone that is sitting in that room is delusional. John McCain is never just John McCain. He is always, always, &#8220;The Next President Of The United States Of America, John McCain&#8221;. What makes them so sure? That is just cocky. I would kind of get it if it was obvious he was going to win, but even then it is like tempting fate. When Neil Kinnock tried it here in 1992 he got hammered. So why does this stuff sit well in the USA? Perhaps it is one of those things where they think, &#8220;If I say it often enough it will become true.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m old-fashioned, but I think politics should be about the issues. At least in Britain the parties pretend to talk about policies during their conferences. In America, party conventions just put too much emphasis on the razzmatazz. It&#8217;s all about the glitz and the glamour. Then there is the emotive nature of it all. Most of it seems to be about tugging on the heart-strings, and they&#8217;re not very subtle about it. It&#8217;s just too saccharine for me.</p>
<p>I am certainly glad I don&#8217;t live in America so that I have to actually face to prospect of having to pay attention to all of this nonsense. If you ask me, it is no surprise that turnout in the USA is so low. I would hardly be overjoyed by the prospect of choosing between the White Elephants Party and the Ridiculous Asses Party.</p>
<p>It is true that politicians can be quite off-putting here in Britain as well. But at least they put me off because of what they say. American politicians put me off because of what they do and how they present themselves.</p>
<p>What gets me is the fact that they think I would be impressed with any of the sort of silly things they do at conventions. It&#8217;s like when they get a group of people to stand behind the speaker. I think it&#8217;s meant to look like he&#8217;s so popular that he&#8217;s always got scores of people standing around him. In actual fact it looks like the speaker is facing the wrong way without realising it.</p>
<p>When Michelle Obama started speaking at the Democratic Convention, all of these placards suddenly appeared from within the audience. It looked like there were hundreds of them. &#8220;MICHELLE&#8221;, they said. Why was that? Were they worried she was going to forget her name? Why don&#8217;t they make her check the inside of her underpants like the rest of us have to?</p>
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<p>I only include the video to prove the point about the placards. Don&#8217;t watch the whole video &#8212; it only encourages them. Incidentally, the first word is not even uttered until 1:19.</p>
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		<title>Obama or Nobama?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was my turn to write this week&#8217;s Scottish Roundup (nominations always welcome of course, even if it&#8217;s nothing to do with politics). I keep an eye on the Scottish blogs throughout the week in preparation, and towards the end of the week it became pretty clear that one particular wee stooshie had to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my turn to write <a href="http://scottishroundup.co.uk/2008/04/13/olympics-and-obama/">this week&#8217;s Scottish Roundup</a> (nominations always welcome of course, even if it&#8217;s nothing to do with politics). I keep an eye on the Scottish blogs throughout the week in preparation, and towards the end of the week it became pretty clear that one particular wee stooshie had to be covered.</p>
<p>Labour blogger Kezia Dugdale has been <a href="http://keziadugdale.blogspot.com/2008/04/scotland-for-obama-2008.html">involved in a campaign called Scotland for Obama</a>. SNP blogger <a href="http://calumcashley.blogspot.com/2008/04/odammit.html">Calum Cashley was none too impressed</a>. Then a <a href="http://snptacticalvoting.blogspot.com/2008/04/unfortunate-state-of-affairs.html">number</a> <a href="http://politicaldissuasion.blogspot.com/2008/04/note-to-calum-cashley.html">of other</a> <a href="http://malcintheburgh.blogspot.com/2008/04/spewing-vitriol.html">bloggers</a> &#8212; SNP supporters among them &#8212; decided to take Calum Cashley to task.</p>
<p>I have to confess that I&#8217;m not a great fan of Calum Cashley&#8217;s blog. To me, it seems unnecessarily confrontational, negative, sarcastic and maybe even a bit boorish. It&#8217;s certainly not the sort of thing that would persuade me to vote for him come election time. But despite the response to his most recent post, in this instance I&#8217;m probably more inclined to agree with Cashley.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s just a reflection of my increasingly anti-political or apolitical (certainly in terms of party politics) viewpoint (I will consider the roots of this in a future post if I can get round to it). But there is something about the amount of attention that the US Presidential election receives that rubs me up the wrong way a bit. It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t recognise that the position of US President isn&#8217;t an incredibly powerful one. But political campaigns in general are starting to really get my goat.</p>
<p>Mostly, it is the implication that a campaign like Scotland for Obama will make a difference. It just comes across as a bit attention seeking. &#8220;Look at me and look at how much I care!&#8221;</p>
<p>I am pretty sceptical of most political campaigning. Of course, I have my views. But I have never joined a club, I&#8217;ve never gone on a demonstration and I&#8217;ve never worn any political t-shirts. This is because I know it will make next to no difference.</p>
<p>Come election time, of course, I love it. I stay up all night to watch the results. It&#8217;s great fun to cheer on the good guys and boo the baddies. As <a href="http://snptacticalvoting.blogspot.com/">Jeff says in the tagline to his blog</a>, &#8220;Elections &#8211; Probably the Best Spectator Sport in the World&#8221;. But beyond that, what does political campaigning mean?</p>
<p>Do I need to go on a rally to prove how much I care? Not really. Will the Scotland for Obama campaign make a jot of difference to the outcome of the election? I hardly think so. In fact, as Calum Cashley rightly points out, if enough Americans find out that those pinko Europeans are campaigning in Obama&#8217;s favour, if anything it will probably have a <em>negative</em> effect.</p>
<p>I am not sure it&#8217;s my position to tell Americans how to vote anyway. I know it has been pointed out in the posts I have linked to above that Scotland for Obama is not intended to tell Americans how to vote. But the point still stands.</p>
<p>Imagine if the boot was on another foot. What if somewhere in America a group of people gathered to express their support for, say, David Cameron. What would you think of it? I would think they were the most enormous fools. I would roll my eyes. I might ignore them. But it would more likely make me even less inclined to vote for Cameron.</p>
<p>The thing is that our viewpoint is unquestionably altered by the fact that we don&#8217;t live in America. The issues, the agenda and the political climate are completely different over there.</p>
<p>I know that whenever I have heard visiting foreign students express an opinion about Scottish politics (there is no shortage of this in the Edinburgh Uni politics department) it has often been the most ill-informed bum drizzle. You can&#8217;t blame them for that. They cannot possibly have as good a feel for the issues as someone like me who has barely set foot out of Scotland. They are projecting their views on American (or whatever) politics onto a map of Scotland. But it&#8217;s a square peg in a round hole.</p>
<p>I recognise that the same phenomenon would occur in reverse. In deference to this, I mostly keep my viewpoints on other countries&#8217; politics to myself. I have my own opinions, of course. I do care what goes on in other countries. But you wouldn&#8217;t find me going around the place wearing an Obama badge or anything like that.</p>
<p>I have done a few of those online quizzes that tell you which candidate you should vote for. The results are <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/11/24/a-bit-of-fun-with-us-politics/">here</a> and <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/01/06/some-more-fun-with-us-politics/">here</a>. When I did those quizzes though, there were a number of questions that I didn&#8217;t have the first clue about. In some cases I had not even heard of the issues and I couldn&#8217;t possibly have an opinion on them.</p>
<p>The same even applies when you&#8217;re in the same country. When I tried out <a href="http://london.votematch.net/VoteMatchLondon/index.html">Vote Match London</a> about a quarter of the questions were about issues that I had never heard of, and half of the questions I had no opinion on whatsoever. For what it&#8217;s worth, it told me that I should vote for Boris Johnson. Would I vote for Boris Johnson if I was an actual Londoner? I simply don&#8217;t know <em>because I&#8217;m not a Londoner</em>.</p>
<p>And here is the thing. I am sure that London does not need my help to elect their Mayor. Equally, the USA does not need to hear my views on the Presidential campaign. An argument against this has been <a href="http://politicaldissuasion.blogspot.com/2008/04/note-to-calum-cashley.html">put forward by Political Dissuasion</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Would you criticise me for organising a rally against Robert Mugabe&#8217;s treatment of the people of Zimbabwe, where people are dying, starving and being jailed for actions and rights that you and I take take for granted?</p></blockquote>
<p>There is quite a noticeable difference between the USA and Zimbabwe. One of them is democratic and the other is not. For all of its faults, at least in the USA there is a reasonable expectation of free speech, a reasonably free press, reasonably free markets and so on. None of this exists in Zimbabwe. So the people of Zimbabwe need international support so much more. Even then, I would limit myself to saying that I think Zimbabwe should be freer. Once they have the &#8220;rights that you and I take for granted&#8221;, I am sure they will be able to conduct their own affairs without the help of the likes of me.</p>
<p>The USA needs no help in this regard. They have their freedoms that they take for granted. If I were to stick my nose in, I would most likely be batted away. And if an American sticks his nose into my country&#8217;s politics, I would bat him away as well.</p>
<p>There is the other argument that US politics affects us all, which I suppose is true to an extent. But does it <em>really</em> affect us? I have my doubts. The likely winners of the election are much of a muchness. People like to pluck out the Iraq War as an example of how much American politics affects us, but these people forget that most Democrats were all for invading Iraq at the time as well!</p>
<p>Incidentally, I do have an opinion on the US Presidential candidates. As it happens, I favour Barack Obama. But I don&#8217;t pretend that this is based on any nuanced policy view. It is based on the fact that John McCain is a baad, baad Republican and that Hilary Clinton is a screeching maniac. Honestly, Clinton drives me nuts. She is like that teacher you could hear giving someone a row from the opposite end of the corridor.</p>
<p>There are other reasons, <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/01/15/experience-vs-change/">which I covered here</a>. I really dislike the tone of Clinton&#8217;s campaign. You can just tell that she came into the campaign thinking she had a divine right to be President. The message of experience is total bunk. Her sumtotal of experience is limited to being married to a former President. Big wow.</p>
<p>At least Obama&#8217;s message is more positive. But here is another area where I agree with Calum Cashley. If the American public buys into all of the hope rhetoric, it is lining itself up for disappointment. We have seen this in Britain in the 1990s. Labour pulled off the exact same trick. &#8220;I&#8217;m here to save you from those awful conservatives!&#8221; Well we all know how that turned out.</p>
<p>The truth is harsher. No matter who you vote for, the government gets in. I&#8217;d love to see Barack Obama usher in a new era of hope for America. But if he actually does it I&#8217;ll eat my hat.</p>
<p>All of that said, I don&#8217;t criticise Kezia Dugdale or anyone else for getting involved in Scotland for Obama. It is a harmless campaign and if the people involved get a buzz out of participating then that is all good. We are all adults living in a democracy. By the same token, Calum Cashley is perfectly entitled to chip in, and I don&#8217;t think the points he made were as awful as some people are making out.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a row in the USA at the moment between the Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama camps. Sadly, someone somewhere along the line has played the race card. Hillary Clinton&#8217;s comments about the Civil Rights Act have been called into question. I doubt Hillary Clinton intended to belittle Martin Luther King&#8217;s role. But Hillary [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a row in the USA at the moment between the Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama camps. Sadly, someone somewhere along the line has played the race card. Hillary Clinton&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/politics/15dems.html?ref=politics">comments about the Civil Rights Act</a> have been called into question.</p>
<p>I doubt Hillary Clinton intended to belittle Martin Luther King&#8217;s role. But Hillary Clinton&#8217;s comments nevertheless piss me off.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cassilis.co.uk/blog.html">Cassilis says Clinton was making a fair point</a>. But to say &#8220;it took a President&#8221; to pass the Civil Rights Act is banal. It isn&#8217;t exactly headline news that you need a President to pass legislation in the USA. I hardly believe Barack Obama &#8212; or any of the other Democratic candidates &#8212; dispute it. So what was the point of her saying it?</p>
<p>Well, I am assuming this is yet another angle in her crusade to persuade everyone how experienced she is. She keeps on banging on and on about her experience as if she is in the running to become leader of the Chinese Communist Party rather than President of the United States.</p>
<p>But what experience does she have? Well, she has been a Senator since 2001 &#8212; for years longer than Obama. But Obama has also been a member of the Illinois State Senate for seven years prior to that. So it looks to me as though Barack Obama has roughly equal (if we decide to give a higher weight to the US Senate) or slightly more experience at actually being a politician, as opposed to just being married to one.</p>
<p>But I presume it is her famous husband whom Hillary Clinton is evoking whenever she refers to &#8220;her&#8221; &#8220;experience&#8221;. This is what really annoys me about Clinton. She comes across as though she thinks she has a right to be President because of her surname. But is it really wise to elect someone on the basis of whom they are married to?</p>
<p>If voters buy into the Clinton mantra of experience, it may mean that really people want Bill Clinton to become President through the back door. In this case it makes a mockery of the constitution, and the maximum of two terms that Presidents can have. No doubt Putin will be trying this trick soon.</p>
<p>Let us assume that Hillary Clinton goes all the way, becomes President and serves two terms. By the end of that, it will have been almost <em>three entire decades</em> since the US had known a President who wasn&#8217;t either a Bush or a Clinton.</p>
<p>It does amuse me. Some Americans like to go on about how they are proud that they don&#8217;t have a Royal Family because they believe that power should not run through the family. But then they go ahead and elect people from the same families anyway. The difference is that Britain&#8217;s Royal family doesn&#8217;t actually have any real power.</p>
<p>And I have got through this entire post without even mentioning the Kennedy family yet.</p>
<p>For this reason, I find Barack Obama&#8217;s main message of &#8216;change&#8217; much more appealing than Clinton&#8217;s message of &#8216;experience&#8217;. On the basis of the slogans and the simplified, dumbed-down political debates, Barack Obama ought to win this campaign hands down.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A few months back I wrote about a quiz that tells you which US Presidential candidate to vote for. Obviously I don&#8217;t have a vote, but it is still fun to try it out and see what comes up. The election has been in the news this week, so it&#8217;s worth taking a look at [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few months back I <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/11/24/a-bit-of-fun-with-us-politics/">wrote about</a> a quiz that tells you which US Presidential candidate to vote for. Obviously I don&#8217;t have a vote, but it is still fun to try it out and see what comes up.</p>
<p>The election has been in the news this week, so it&#8217;s worth taking a look at another of these quizzes, <a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html">from GoToQuiz</a> (<a href="http://cabalamat.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/who-to-support-in-us-presidential-election/">via Amused Cynicism</a>).</p>
<p><b>67% <span style="color: #00f;">Chris Dodd</span><br />67% <span style="color: #00f;">Mike Gravel</span><br />65% <span style="color: #00f;">Dennis Kucinich</span><br />63% <span style="color: #00f;">Bill Richardson</span><br />62% <span style="color: #00f;">Barack Obama</span><br />62% <span style="color: #f00;">Rudy Giuliani</span><br />61% <span style="color: #00f;">Hillary Clinton</span><br />58% <span style="color: #00f;">John Edwards</span><br />56% <span style="color: #00f;">Joe Biden</span><br />53% <span style="color: #f00;">Ron Paul</span><br />51% <span style="color: #f00;">John McCain</span><br />44% <span style="color: #f00;">Mitt Romney</span><br />43% <span style="color: #f00;">Mike Huckabee</span><br />34% <span style="color: #f00;">Tom Tancredo</span><br />34% <span style="color: #f00;">Fred Thompson</span><br /></b><br /><a href="http://www.gotoquiz.com/candidates/2008-quiz.html">2008 Presidential Candidate Matching Quiz</a></p>
<p>Fairly similar results to the other one. Once again, it&#8217;s the Democrats you&#8217;ve never heard of who have come out top. This time around, a Republican &#8212; Rudy Giuliani &#8212; appears above some Democrats.</p>
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