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		<title>Get set for another year of politics in F1</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/01/26/get-set-for-another-year-of-politics-in-f1/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 01:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A lot of people are scratching their heads about the FIA&#8217;s latest plan when it comes to race stewards. One of the most common complaints you will hear an F1 fan make is that the decisions made by the stewards are not consistent enough. For the past couple of years there has been a permanent [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people are scratching their heads about the FIA&#8217;s latest plan when it comes to race stewards. One of the most common complaints you will hear an F1 fan make is that the decisions made by the stewards are not consistent enough. For the past couple of years there has been a permanent steward, Tony Scott-Andrews, who has presided over every race alongside two others who are appointed on a race-by-race basis.</p>
<p>The presence of a permanent steward greatly improved the image of the process. Although there were still perceived inconsistencies, you couldn&#8217;t really lay the blame on anything in particular because of Tony Scott-Andrews, who most seem to agree did a good job.</p>
<p>Tony Scott-Andrews has decided not to continue in the role in 2008. So what would you do if you were the FIA? Would you continue the successful scheme of having permanent, independent stewards? Or will you hire a lackey?</p>
<p>Of course, <em>you</em> are not President of the FIA. Unfortunately, Max Mosley is. And so apparently his good buddy Alan Donnelly &#8220;will be involved in the process&#8221;, alongside three stewards who will be appointed on a race-by-race basis.</p>
<p>The three stewards will be &#8220;neutrals&#8221; in that they won&#8217;t come from the same country as anyone else involved in F1. Given that nationality shamefully played such a big role in the Hamilton / Alonso hoo-ha last year, this is understandable. But I can&#8217;t help but worry that it means the best people for the job will be overlooked.</p>
<p>The real worry though is that Alan Donnelly will apparently have a major influence in the decision-making process this year. <a href="http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns19972.html">According to GrandPrix.com</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>If Donnelly takes up a role as the permanent F1 steward it is going to be very hard for him to establish any credibility as an independent. This in turn will reflect on the FIA and will not help improve the perception &#8211; whether true or not &#8211; that everything is controlled by Mosley.</p>
<p>The problem is that while Donnelly is clearly an intelligent and capable individual he has been a close ally of Mosley for eight years and before that worked with the FIA President as a member of the FIA-funded Automobile Users Group at the European Parliament. Today he is paid as an FIA consultant.</p></blockquote>
<p>And <a href="http://www.sidepodcast.com/2008/01/25/fia-revise-f1-stewards-process/">Sidepodcast has revealed more</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>His company Sovereign Strategy currently list Formula One Management Ltd as a client. It’s not hard to imagine the sport’s commercial interests being taken into consideration when looking at future rule infringements&#8230;</p>
<p>Of further interest a quick perusal through the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070617052916/http://www.sovereignstrategy.com/clients2.asp">Internet Archive</a>, sees Sovereign Strategy at one time listing Ferrari as a previous client&#8230;</p>
<p>It’s not clear when the Italian manufacturer was removed from the client list (the archive displays the page as recently as June 2007), but one could speculate it was probably very recently. One also wonders whether the Scuderia have completely severed ties with Sovereign, and what bearing that may have on future ‘difficult’ decisions?</p></blockquote>
<p>So the new permanent steward is not only an FIA / Max Mosley lackey, he is a <em>Ferrari</em> lackey as well! But this should come as no surprise given that FIA stands for Ferrari International Assistance and all.</p>
<p>In all seriousness, this is the <em>last</em> thing Formula 1 needs. At a time when so many people see Max Mosley as wielding too much power over F1 (to put it <em>very politely indeed</em>), to have a chum of Mosley&#8217;s become the new permanent steward is a recipe for disaster. Worse still, when so many people see the FIA as blatantly favouring Ferrari, is it really so wise to bring in a man whose company very recently listed Ferrari among its clients, one position below the FIA (Max Mosley&#8217;s organisation) and two above FOA (Bernie Ecclestone&#8217;s company)?</p>
<p>Max Mosley is truly in cloud cuckoo land. He must realise that this move is highly provocative. It will not be long before people start pointing fingers and suspecting bias.</p>
<p>The FIA has a major image problem among F1 fans <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/22/nobody-has-confidence-in-the-fia/">as I recently pointed out</a>. It is worrying enough that Max Mosley should install someone with such blatant Ferrari links in a position of such authority. What is even more worrying is that Mosley no longer even seems to be interested in pretending that the FIA are not just a bunch of Ferrari lackeys.</p>
<p>The sooner Mosley is replaced, the better. He is a rotten man who brings far too much politics into Formula 1 just because real politics was a no-go area due to his lineage. After the events of last year, more politics is the last thing F1 needs. But given this provocative appointment, it is obvious that Mosley doesn&#8217;t give a damn about this fact.</p>
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		<title>Sports, individuals, teams and nations</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 19:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I said, this kind of follows on from my last post. But I know a lot of you just skip past the Formula 1 posts, so I will briefly summarise the relevant bit here: ITV&#8217;s Formula 1 coverage sucks, partly because it is fixated with hyping up mediocre drivers because they are British. As [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said, this kind of follows on from <a href="http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/05/22/itv-f1-wins-bafta-f1-fans-leave-country/">my last post</a>. But I know a lot of you just skip past the Formula 1 posts, so I will briefly summarise the relevant bit here:</p>
<p><strong>ITV&#8217;s Formula 1 coverage sucks, partly because it is fixated with hyping up mediocre drivers because they are British.</strong></p>
<p>As it happens, there is a debate about sport and nationality in Scotland at the moment. It appears as though Alex Salmond has called for Scotland to enter a separate team in the Olympics. Apparently the media have acted surprised, although I&#8217;m not. It seems to be quite a common view held by a lot of nationalists, so indeed it would be surprising if Mr Salmond <em>wasn&#8217;t</em> in favour of it.</p>
<p>It seems to bit a bit of an overblown media story (ho! This blog is becoming a bit one-note). But it has nevertheless sparked a bit of a debate, so here is my view on it.</p>
<p>Often I don&#8217;t care where a sports person is from. My interest might be coloured by media coverage. That just means that I end up being more interested in whatever I hear about on the radio. But that&#8217;s just because I hear it on the radio. This can go either way, because obviously if I&#8217;m pissed off with the media coverage I will suddenly have a burning hatred of whoever is flavour of the month.</p>
<p>Take Andrew Murray for instance. At first I was interested because he was young and Scottish and sounded like he had a lot of talent. Then whenever I heard him being interviewed he turned out to be a sour, sullen, ungrateful little whiner. So now, while I would marginally rather see him winning than losing, I am more ambivalent than anything else.</p>
<p>Similarly, whether or not I feel like rooting for England in cricket or football mostly depends on how bearable I find the media coverage. During the football World Cup, it is easy to get sick of England. At other times I wouldn&#8217;t mind seeing them win.</p>
<p>Obviously in football I would root for Scotland first and foremost. An obvious choice because I was born here in Scotland. But here is where the whole thing falls to bits, because I am actually not very interested in football so it doesn&#8217;t really affect me either way. I like to see Scotland winning, but you certainly wouldn&#8217;t catch me sitting through ninety minutes of it at a time.</p>
<p>In fact, the only sport that I am really interested in is&#8230; well, take a guess. That one, and snooker (if I can be bothered). And cricket is okay too. I couldn&#8217;t tell you <em>why</em> I was interested in any of these sports. <a href="http://scotsandindependent.blogspot.com/2007/05/scottish-olympic-team.html">As Richard Thomson says</a>, there is nothing rational about this sort of thing. It&#8217;s just the way you turn out.</p>
<p>But I do have quite firm beliefs about nationality and sport. Like I said, I usually support Scotland if they are playing. But that wouldn&#8217;t stop me from supporting any British team. And neither does it preclude me from rooting for England. And here is why: nationality doesn&#8217;t matter a jot. Not to me as a spectator, and not to a sports person either.</p>
<p>A couple of years ago I saw part of a documentary about Ben Johnson. A relative of his was asked a question about whether or not Ben Johnson let down his country by taking performance enhancing drugs. The response was very firm: &#8220;Don&#8217;t be so stupid! He wasn&#8217;t running for his country. <em>He was running for himself.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t doubt that there might be the odd athlete who gets a real kick out of performing for their country, at the end of the day you have to be realistic about athletes&#8217; real motives. If we are talking about professional athletes, we are also talking about careers. They want to win for the good of themselves and their own career, not for the good of their country (whatever that means).</p>
<p>Most sports people might <em>say</em> that they are very, very proud to be representing their coverage. But I think this is probably mostly, once again, for selfish individualistic aims. Saying such things helps get the media off your back and gets the general public supporting you.</p>
<p>Crowds at home matches are less hostile, giving you the confidence to perform. Merchandise sales skyrocket. You can make tons of money appearing in adverts. And once you get old you might even become a TV sports pundit. All by playing the game correctly, by playing up to the image of a &#8220;plucky Brit&#8221; or a &#8220;gritty Scot&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>I am under no illusions as to what a sports person&#8217;s motives are. They want to win, and they would want to win no matter where they happened to be born. So I don&#8217;t buy into the nationalistic hype that surrounds sport stars.</p>
<p>That is also why I am somewhat sceptical of the idea that entering a separate Scottish team would, overnight, turn Scotland into a sports-mad nation, driven on to win because of national pride.</p>
<p><a href="http://scotsandindependent.blogspot.com/2007/05/scottish-olympic-team.html">Richard Thomson says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the idea that our athletes would win fewer medals than they would as part of a UK team is utterly risible, epitomising all that&#8217;s worst about the &#8216;awww, we&#8217;re rubbish!&#8217;, &#8216;expect the worst and you&#8217;ll never be disappointed&#8217;, loser mentality that stifles so much talent and potential in Scotland.</p></blockquote>
<p>But it is just a matter of numbers. With a smaller pool of talent to choose from, Scotland&#8217;s sports teams would wilt. At least as part of TeamGB, any talented Scots there are can be part of a bigger, more talented team that has a better chance of winning a medal.</p>
<p><a href="http://snptacticalvoting.blogspot.com/2007/05/race-not-worth-running.html">As Jeff at SNP Tactical Voting says</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;would a Scottish relay sprint team, or rowing team, or badminton team even qualify to the Olympics proper without the undoubted benefits of competing with our English/Welsh/Northern Irish brothers and sisters. One could argue that the benefits of extra places is cancelled out by not being able to qualify for half of the disciplines.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some people find this difficult to believe, but I watch Formula 1 as a neutral. I don&#8217;t have any particular favourite drivers or teams (although I used to quite like Jordan). I have some drivers and teams that I prefer to others, but this certainly doesn&#8217;t run along nationalistic grounds.</p>
<p>For instance, I cannot stand that smug (even though he has nothing to be smug about) Jenson Button. &#8220;Plucky Brit&#8221; he may be, but this is just code for &#8220;talentless fuckwit&#8221;. As I said in my post below, he is utterly incapable of winning a race unless everyone in front of him breaks down.</p>
<p>Even worse, he seems to be quite a dodgy individual, as he has twice signed contracts with teams which he has subsequently tried to wriggle out of. So he is a slippery character as well as an average racer.</p>
<p>What about that fine Scot, David Coulthard, you ask? I actually quite like him &#8212; but not because he is a Scot. I admire him for the fact that his career is still going strong after so many years. I also think he is quite a likeable personality, quite engaging and funny when being interviewed.</p>
<p>But I lost a lot of respect for him following the 2001 Monaco Grand Prix, where he was unable to overtake Enrique Bernoldi, an inferior driver in an inferior car. In a way, this is understandable because the Monaco circuit is very difficult to overtake on due to its narrow and twisty nature. What did it for me was when after the race he complained, saying that Bernoldi should have just let him past. Err, no. It&#8217;s motor racing &#8212; the point is that you have to overtake him if you&#8217;re good enough.</p>
<p>If I was held at gunpoint and asked to choose my favourite F1 team, I would say McLaren. And there has been an interesting row about the &#8220;nationality&#8221; of that team in recent months. German newspaper <i>Bild</i> tried to claim that McLaren is a German team because it is partly owned by DaimlerChrysler under the guise of Mercedes-Benz. As such, a fuss was caused when McLaren won a race and the German national anthem wasn&#8217;t played.</p>
<p>But McLaren is &#8220;officially&#8221; a British team, and the British national anthem is played when a McLaren driver wins a race. It has been like this for many, many years. And why not? After all, it is based in Britain, Chairman Ron Dennis is British and I would guess the majority of employees are British.</p>
<p>But the story doesn&#8217;t end there. You see, Bruce McLaren, the founder of the McLaren team, was a Kiwi! So if anything, surely New Zealand&#8217;s national anthem should be played when McLaren win a race!</p>
<p>Many teams face this dilemma of having multiple nationalities, particularly when their parent company is based in a different country to where the factory is based. Is Renault British or French (the team is based in Britain, the parent company is from France and the car is built in both!)? Is Honda British or Japanese. Is Toyota German or Japanese. Is Spyker British or Dutch? Is Red Bull British or Austrian? Is Toro Rosso Italian or Austrian? Is BMW Swiss or German?</p>
<p>The point is that it doesn&#8217;t matter what national anthem gets played. McLaren is McLaren is McLaren, whether it is British, German, Kiwi or Cloudcuckoovian. And I guess if they were to officially change their nationality, it would not have a single bearing on the race result.</p>
<p>And the controversy over McLaren&#8217;s nationality? Nothing to do with national pride or any tosh like that. It was in fact stirred up by BMW for their own self-interested ends.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, you might have guessed, I don&#8217;t really care whether or not Scots perform as part of Scotland or as part of TeamGB in the Olympics. Really, who cares? After all, the medals table (more a reflection of population size than anything else) has only ever been useful for Cold War propagandists.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Nov 2005 16:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/?p=806">Welcome to the pub quiz nation</a>. <strong>Update:</strong> <a href="http://talkpolitics.users20.donhost.co.uk/index.php?title=taking_the_britishness_test&#038;more=1&#038;c=1&#038;tb=1&#038;pb=1">Taking the Britishness test</a>.</p>
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		<title>Battle of Britishness</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://news.scotsman.com/opinion.cfm?id=1741202005">Politicians join the battle of Britishness</a>. (<a href="http://scottish-independence.blogspot.com/">Via</a>.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following on from my post from a couple of days ago, there is more on proposed citizenship ceremonies at Blood &#038; Treasure. Meanwhile, Lenin has a look at Boris Johnson. Johnson&#8217;s piece is quite ridiculous. It is under the headline, &#8220;The British dream: we must all speak the same language.&#8221; That&#8217;s a pretty rubbish dream [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following on from <a href="http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2005/08/07/britishness/">my post from a couple of days ago</a>, there is more on <a href="http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2005/08/things_that_are.html">proposed citizenship ceremonies</a> at Blood &#038; Treasure.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, <a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2005/08/nice-and-nasty.html">Lenin has a look at Boris Johnson</a>.</p>
<p>Johnson&#8217;s piece is quite ridiculous. It is under the headline, &#8220;<a href="http://opinion.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2005/08/04/do0401.xml">The British dream: we must all speak the same language</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty rubbish dream if you ask me. The Americans have a dream aswell. It&#8217;s known as &#8220;rags to riches&#8221;. The idea is that anybody from any background can aspire to greatness. Boris Johnson&#8217;s big idea is to turn us all into clones.</p>
<blockquote><p>We&#8217;ve all got to be as British as Carry On films and scotch eggs and falling over on the beach while trying to change into your swimming trunks with a towel on. We should all feel the same mysterious pang at the sight of the Queen. We do indeed need to inculcate this Britishness, especially into young Muslims, and the problem is how.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2005/08/nice-and-nasty.html">Lenin has the right idea</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Johnson hasn&#8217;t a chance, of course, since no one is British in the way that he would like them to be. I hate Carry On films, scotch eggs and the beach. I especially hate the fucking Queen.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except I do like scotch eggs, but that&#8217;s not the point.</p>
<p>Back to Boris. Amazingly, he cites that far superior American Dream to back up his idea for a British Dream.</p>
<blockquote><p>Americans all understand instinctively that they are equal citizens of the greatest country on earth, and they all have an equal chance of rising to the top of that country.</p>
<p>That is the idea of America, the American dream; and we have been comparatively hopeless at communicating any sense of the British dream, or the British idea. So what we must now do is begin the immense task with a few practical steps.</p>
<p>We should teach English, and we should teach in English. We should teach British history. We should think again about the jilbab, with the signals of apartness that it sends out, and we should probably scrap faith schools. We should forbid the imams from preaching sermons in anything but English; because if you want to build a society where everyone feels included, and where everyone shares in the national story, we cannot continue with the multicultural apartheid.</p></blockquote>
<p>But what about those British people who speak Welsh, or Gaelic, or Scots, or Kernewek? What about those whose primary language is BSL? Shall we force them all to speak English now?</p>
<p><a href="http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2005/08/things_that_are.html">Jamie says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>As an Englishman, Iâ€™ll speak any language I damn well please in my own home. In fact, Iâ€™m going to start learning Urdu tomorrow. Stubbornness: how British.</p></blockquote>
<p>Worse still, check out what Boris says before he suggests that everybody should become a robot.</p>
<blockquote><p>It was not so much the horror of what they said on Newsnight, those Islamic wackos, one of whom, Abu Uzair, announced: &#8220;Even if I am British, I don&#8217;t follow the values of the UK. I follow the Islamic values. I have no allegiance to the British Queen whatsoever, or to British society.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, what was shocking was the unmistakably English accent in which they said it, the voices that marked them as complete products of our primary and secondary systems.</p></blockquote>
<p>So hang on a minute. We&#8217;ve got to get everybody speaking English, to prevent people from having the sorts of views that the person with the &#8220;unmistakably English accent&#8221; has. So Boris demolished his argument in his own article.</p>
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		<title>Britishness</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2005 23:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In recent weeks there have been more calls for Muslims (and presumably people from minority groups in general) to be prepared to be more British. There was at least one call for people who didn&#8217;t want to be more British to leave the country. The problem is that nobody can work out exactly what Britishness [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In recent weeks there have been more calls for Muslims (and presumably people from minority groups in general) to be prepared to be more British. There was at least one call for people who didn&#8217;t want to be more British to <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1721092005">leave the country</a>.</p>
<p>The problem is that nobody can work out exactly what Britishness actually is, and <a href="http://thirdavenue.typepad.com/third_avenue/2005/08/what_it_means_t.html">Third Avenue</a> and <a href="http://liberaldissenter.blogspot.com/2005/08/our-way-of-life.html">The Liberal Dissenter</a> tell you why.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> <a href="http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1740712005">Now there&#8217;s this</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the ceremonies are likely to be resisted by some young Britons, who are naturally wary of what they regard as flag-waving patriotism.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>England, eh?</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2005/06/26/england-eh/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://yorkshire-ranter.blogspot.com/2005/06/identity-and-good-idea.html">Identity, and a good idea</a>. The Yorkshire Ranter adds his voice to <a href="http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2005/06/21/i-am-not-a-nationality/">the England discussion</a>.</p>
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		<title>I am not a nationality</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2005/06/21/i-am-not-a-nationality/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[John B asks, &#8220;English? Wossat then?&#8221; Many bits of the administrative region called England &#8211; London, Cornwall, Yorkshire, Newcastle-and-surroundings, Manchester-and-surroundings, Scouseland-and-surroundings and Cumbria, for starters &#8211; all have regional identities that are far stronger than any &#8216;English&#8217; identity. I obviously don&#8217;t know well enough because I&#8217;m not English. But from this not-very-distant distance it certainly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John B asks, &#8220;<a href="http://www.stalinism.com/shot-by-both-sides/full_post.asp?pid=1179">English? Wossat then?</a>&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Many bits of the administrative region called England &#8211; London, Cornwall, Yorkshire, Newcastle-and-surroundings, Manchester-and-surroundings, Scouseland-and-surroundings and Cumbria, for starters &#8211; all have regional identities that are far stronger than any &#8216;English&#8217; identity.</p></blockquote>
<p>I obviously don&#8217;t know well enough because I&#8217;m not English. But from this not-very-distant distance it certainly looks to me as though England, as a &#8216;nation&#8217;, doesn&#8217;t have very much in common with itself. Cornwall itself probably has a stronger nationalist movement than the whole of England does! (Whether the English want a national English Parliament or regional parliaments is up to them though. It&#8217;s a bit rude of me to tell them what&#8217;s what.)</p>
<p>Scotland is the same mind you. There&#8217;s probably not an awful lot I have in common with, say, your average person from a remote fishing village in the north. There are at least two major spoken languages (three if you include Scots, as many do) in Scotland. A Scottish identity is there though. Scotland&#8217;s Parliament is reasonable &#8212; nay, required &#8212; because of the separate legal and education systems which Scotland always had, and that&#8217;s before you go on to ask about identity or nationality or whatever.</p>
<p>I hate the whole concept of the nation though. I am not a nationality. I am an individual <em>person</em>.</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> John at The England Project <a href="http://www.theenglandproject.net/mt/archives/001111.html">adds his views</a>. The conclusion is one that I agree with.</p>
<blockquote><p>Why should one nation have a parliament in the union and not the others? Cultural arguments simply do not wash because to have them one has to accept that only countries that have a single and strong cultural identity should have a national parliament.</p></blockquote>
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