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		<title>Why the Eurovision bloc voting theory is bogus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[How Terry Wogan sees Europe So, yet another Eurovision Song Contest, and get another round of chest-beating and sour grapes from people who think that the reason the UK came last was because of a Europe-wide conspiracy against us and in favour of any of those commies to the east. Every year the protests seem [...]]]></description>
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<i>How Terry Wogan sees Europe</i></div>
<p>So, yet another Eurovision Song Contest, and get another round of chest-beating and sour grapes from people who think that the reason the UK came last was because of a Europe-wide conspiracy against us and in favour of any of those commies to the east. Every year the protests seem to get louder, and every year they annoy me even more.</p>
<p>Apparently it was inevitable that Russia were always going to benefit from &#8220;political&#8221; voting. So inevitable that I didn&#8217;t see anyone predicting it. Terry Wogan himself didn&#8217;t, except until Russia started racking up the points at which point it had become an obvious conspiracy.</p>
<p>The thing is, this is nonsense. <a href="http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/2008/05/25/is-eurovision-fair/">As Chris Applegate has pointed out</a>, this is the first time Russia has ever won the Eurovision Song Contest. So much for the inevitability of Russia&#8217;s success.</p>
<p>While so many wise-guys are quick to say after the event how predictable the result of the ESC was, I&#8217;ve yet to see so many people successfully predict who will win <em>beforehand</em>. <a href="http://www.geocities.com/derek_gatherer/">Derek Gatherer</a> predicts who will win, but only after the semi-finals have taken place. This is a bit like buying a lottery ticket once you know what the first five balls are. Even then, his prediction &#8212; Ukraine &#8212; was wrong (although close).</p>
<p>There were three specific countries that Terry Wogan said twice during the broadcast would benefit from political voting across Europe. He said this for each of the three countries during their turn, and he said it again during the recap while the phone numbers are displayed on the screen. (<a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b00bv005.shtml">Check it on BBC iPlayer</a>.)</p>
<p>The three countries that, according to Terry Wogan, were inevitably going to benefit from political voting? Romania, Albania and Poland. These countries finished 20th, 17th and 24th respectively &#8212; out of 25 countries in the final. If there was a conspiracy, whoever was behind it cocked it up big time.</p>
<p>Of course, Terry Wogan could have seen that his theory was bogus if he simply looked at the results of the semi-final (he did do that, didn&#8217;t he?). He would have seen that Poland only got through because it was chosen by the jury and did not finish among the top seven chosen by the televote. Albania also just scraped in, having come 7th in the televote.</p>
<p>The fact that Poland came joint-last in the final along with the UK shows just how hollow the &#8216;bloc votes&#8217; theory is. It is certainly not as simple as &#8220;countries in the east are bound to benefit&#8221;. Poland&#8217;s paltry score of 14 was made up of points from just two countries &#8212; Ireland and the UK. The last time I checked, neither of these countries were in eastern Europe.</p>
<p>Furthermore, the past fourteen Eurovision Song Contests have been won by fourteen different countries. This is completely unprecedented in the history of the ESC (the previous longest run being eight). Incidentally, only 7 of those countries can be credibly described as &#8220;eastern European&#8221;.</p>
<p>It hardly needs to be pointed out that the countries that make up the British Isles have been the most successful in the ESC&#8217;s history, Ireland and the UK having won twelve contests between them, including an incredible run of five wins in six years in the mid-1990s. The UK has also finished second 15 times, more than any other country.</p>
<p>Far from becoming predictable, the Eurovision Song Contest is more open than it has ever been. You can put this almost entirely down to the introduction of televoting in 1998. As <a href="http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/blog/2008/05/25/is-eurovision-fair/">Chris Applegate says</a>, it is far easier to rig Eurovision when it is just a few jury members rather than the entire population of the EBU countries that have to be manipulated.</p>
<p>All of this is not to say that there is not political (or cultural, or whatever) voting going on. Incidentally, the cultural-similarity argument is quite strong, though not watertight. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7408216.stm">Even correcting for linguistic and cultural similarities</a>, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania still engage in bloc voting.</p>
<p>Even so, this is a very small number of countries. <a href="http://www.ewanspence.com/blog/2008/05/25/the-myth-of-political-voting-at-eurovision/">As Ewan Spence points out</a> most &#8220;blocs&#8221; consist of 5 or 6 countries.</p>
<p>In fact, <a href="http://www.geocities.com/derek_gatherer/">Derek Gatherer&#8217;s Venn diagram</a> shows that &#8220;blocs&#8221; are actually as small as two countries, or four at a push. Of course, the UK and Ireland have formed their own little bloc, which is what makes little Britishers&#8217; protests all the more pathetically hypocritical.</p>
<p>As such, the fact that Russia won cannot credibly be blamed on bloc voting. In order to win the ESC, any country has to appeal beyond their bloc and gain votes from across Europe. For this reason, the idea of <a href="http://www.upyourego.com/blog/index.php/2008/05/22/my-give-it-to-england-eurovision-plan/">entering different songs</a> for England, Scotland, etc. (<a href="http://bidforfreedom.blogspot.com/2008/05/eurovision-humiliation.html">or even full-on independence</a> &#8212; any excuse to bring that up, eh? <img src='http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) so that the UK could engage in its own bloc voting would fail.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/12003">ESC Today website has analysed</a> the votes of &#8220;western&#8221; and &#8220;eastern&#8221; European countries separately. What they show is that even in the western-only table, Russia came fifth. That&#8217;s not a win, but it is only 13 points behind the western winner, Greece. Also of note in the western-only table is the fact that Germany finished bottom and the UK also did very badly. Meanwhile, in the eastern-only table, Poland finish joint bottom with <i>nul points</i>.</p>
<p>Clearly, blaming the iron curtain as Terry Wogan does (hopefully in jest) is wide of the mark. Even locking the eastern Europeans out of the voting, eastern Europeans would still pick up plenty of points.</p>
<p>The thing about the &#8220;bloc votes&#8221; theory is that it&#8217;s just the sort of thing that becomes true if you just say it often enough. Ignorance has a lot to do with it.</p>
<p>Recently I had the misfortune to catch an episode of The Paul O&#8217;Grady Show where Terry Wogan was a guest talking about the ESC. He mentioned in passing that Azerbaijan were participating for the first time &#8212; to hoots of laughter from the audience. &#8220;Azer-ban-jan?!&#8221;, yelped O&#8217;Grady. &#8220;I&#8217;ve never even heard of Azer-ban-jan! Is it even in Europe?&#8221; I hope O&#8217;Grady was joking (though there&#8217;s every chance he wasn&#8217;t), but I just know that some of the laughing audience members were thinking exactly that.</p>
<p>I think for a lot of people, the Eurovision Song Contest is perhaps the only time of the year they discover a Europe beyond, say, the EU-12 or the iron curtain or Mediterranean holiday resorts. In a contest of 41 countries, and with many well-known western European countries (Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg) declining to participate, the chances are high that the winning country will be one that many people couldn&#8217;t point to on a map. It might be as if &#8220;eastern Europe&#8221; is just one big country for these people.</p>
<p>If a country people can&#8217;t point to on a map (or those dirty commies in Russia) wins the ESC rather than a country a stone&#8217;s throw away from the UK, people jump to conclusions and start concocting the conspiracy theories. So if Russia wins, it&#8217;s political voting because eastern Europeans don&#8217;t want Russia to shut down the gas pipe. If Serbia wins, it&#8217;s the Balkan bloc voting that did it. If Finland wins, it&#8217;s the Scandinavian bloc vote. And so on.</p>
<p>Well here is a radical idea. Perhaps the countries that win the Eurovision Song Contest do so because they write songs that appeal to a wide variety of European countries and performed well on the night.</p>
<p>The real reason the UK tends to do so poorly in the ESC these days is that its entries are so mediocre. The UK seems to alternate between entering a song that is overtly camp and too knowing and / or stupid to be taken seriously (Scooch, Jemini, Daz Sampson) and insipid, bland, instantly forgettable dross (Javine, James Fox, Andy Abraham). It&#8217;s no accident that the last time the UK won the ESC back in 1997, it was with a song that was actually quite good (and incidentally holds the record for the largest winning margin in the ESC) and performed by a well known band and not some reality TV reject?</p>
<p>I mean, really, what can the UK expect if it enters someone like Andy Abraham? The man lost at The X Factor for crying out loud. What made anyone think he would win Eurovision?! As for the performance, it was nothing to write home about was it? Terry Wogan said he liked it, but I seem to remember he said the same about <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=mjDJg7zDnx8">Jemini&#8217;s notoriously bad performance</a>.</p>
<p>Blaming the UK&#8217;s loss on bloc voting when there are more sensible explanations just reflects badly on Wogan and all the others who bring up this red herring. It comes across as sour grapes.</p>
<p>I suppose the question is, does the UK really want to win Eurovision? The ESC is seen as trashy kitsch by most in the UK. This helps explain why most of the UK&#8217;s entrants these days are desperate reality television losers. Some countries may see the ESC as a joke, but others are clearly passionate to win the contest. Russia in particular tends to enter more famous artists. Their performer this year, Dima Bilan, is one of the country&#8217;s biggest pop stars who is on the verge of making a name for himself internationally.</p>
<p>It seems to me as though there are many countries who want to win the Eurovision Song Contest much more than the UK wants to. So why not let them win rather than throwing your hands up and shouting &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;?</p>
<p>As for Terry Wogan&#8217;s hints that he may quit Eurovision, I do hope he calls it a day. I can&#8217;t stand his commentary. The man is not a fraction as funny as he thinks he is. He mistakes rudeness for wit. He has been past it for as long as I can remember. If he quits, I hope Paddy O&#8217;Connell get the job. He has always done a fantastic job at commentating during the semi-final. He is witty but not cynical, and obviously still likes the ESC, unlike Wogan.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, my favourite song was <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=jR5WWIwVLAM">France&#8217;s</a> &#8212; &#8216;Divine&#8217; by Sébastien Tellier. I think France should just be given bonus points for entering a song containing non-French lyrics <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7350193.stm">for a change</a>!</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 15:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a couple of things annoying me about the Eurovision Song Contest at the moment. The first is Finland&#8217;s entry, Lordi. They are absolutely diabolical. During the semi final on BBC Three, Paddy O&#8217;Connell said that they were a sort of protest vote against Eurovision. Yes, that&#8217;s right: because they have guitars all of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a couple of things annoying me about the Eurovision Song Contest at the moment.</p>
<p>The first is Finland&#8217;s entry, Lordi. They are absolutely diabolical. During the semi final on BBC Three, Paddy O&#8217;Connell said that they were a sort of protest vote against Eurovision. Yes, that&#8217;s right: because they have guitars all of a sudden it is &#8220;real&#8221; music. Dohh. In actual fact, Lordi must be one of the most unoriginal acts in the final &#8212; and that&#8217;s saying something. Slipknot and Bon Jovi should seriously consider suing. And the concept of a heavy rock band being in Eurovision isn&#8217;t even original either &#8212; Wig Wam did it last year for Norway!</p>
<p>A lot of the acts seem to be quite desperate to win the ESC this year. Many mention the fact that they are going to win in the song. But none has gone quite as far as the truly diabolical &#8216;We Are Winners&#8217; by LT United, who are Lithuania&#8217;s entry. There are only six words in the entire song: &#8220;We are the winners / Of Eurovision&#8221;. That line is repeated over and over and over again. It is really nothing more than an elaborate football chant. What is even more astonishing is that it got past the semi final!</p>
<p>As usual with Eurovision, the issue of &#8216;political&#8217; voting is all over the place. <a href="http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2006/05/eurovision_reac.html">Norm is in favour of</a> reintroducing the jury. But what phone voting not originally introduced as a plan to <em>stop</em> political voting? It obviously hasn&#8217;t worked. But the EBU could never remove the phone voting now &#8212; they must make too much money out of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never found the theory about political voting all that convincing. Surely cultural issues are more at play. If it was all down to political voting, the same country would end up winning the ESC year after year, but that doesn&#8217;t happen. Well, it <em>used</em> to, but it happened in Ireland. And guess who always gives Ireland a high score?&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>Update:</strong> If you must know, I voted for Latvia&#8217;s amazing a capella effort and for Ukraine &#8212; for the third year in a row! My friend voted for Lordi, more than one apparently. I ended up rooting for them in the end. Crazy, huh?!</p>
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		<title>Eurovision&#8217;s scoring procedure has been ruined!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 15:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you see that programme about the Eurovision Song Contest last night? Quite funny I thought. It&#8217;s interesting to see how the competition has evolved. In the 1950s it was more like an experiment than anything else. &#8220;Look at us, we can broadcast all round Europe!&#8221; Back then the acts mostly seemed to be singers [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you see that programme about the Eurovision Song Contest last night? Quite funny I thought.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to see how the competition has evolved. In the 1950s it was more like an experiment than anything else. &#8220;Look at us, we can broadcast <em>all round Europe</em>!&#8221; Back then the acts mostly seemed to be singers sitting on a stool in a tuxedo. Terry Wogan didn&#8217;t start taking the piss until the 70s or 80s.</p>
<p>And here we sit today in 2006, not exactly sure what the Eurovision Song Contest is for any more, apart from a massive irony-diarrhoea-fest and Terry Wogan&#8217;s snide remarks. Although there is a lingering suspicion that some nations, particularly in the East, still take the ESC quite seriously (although we shouldn&#8217;t blame them given the huge publicity opportunity their country gets as a result), it is clear that British people at least don&#8217;t take it seriously.</p>
<p>You only need to look at the song that the British public chose as our entry to see that, yes indeed, we are thoroughly taking the piss (are we a nation of paedophiles or what?). I think you can lay this at the door of Terry Wogan. It is sad, but when Terry Wogan retires we will find out that he is the only true reason for the ESC in the 21<sup>st</sup> century, and nobody will watch it at all.</p>
<p>Still, I know I&#8217;m going to be watching it this year, and I&#8217;ll probably watch the semi-final on BBC Three with Paddy O&#8217;Connell as well, if I can remember to catch it.</p>
<p>I am shocked to discover, though, that this year the scoring procedure has been completely ruined. Firstly, Britain&#8217;s Ambassador to Eurovision is somebody who surely doesn&#8217;t deserve any more television exposure, Fearne Cotton. Secondly, the announcers will <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/eurovision/2006/the_show/howitworks.shtml">only announce their country&#8217;s top three songs</a>, and 4<sup>th</sup>&#8211;10<sup>th</sup> will just appear on the screen! Ridiculous!</p>
<p>No doubt this is supposed to be about shortening the scoring procedure, but don&#8217;t they realise that the immense length of the scoring procedure is one of the ESC&#8217;s plus-points? I don&#8217;t know how the viewers are supposed to digest the seven other scores in that short space of time. Pah.</p>
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		<title>It&#8217;s fun&#8230; but that&#8217;s the problem</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2005 01:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched the Eurovision Song Contest at a friend&#8217;s house this year, so for this first time Eurovision was drunken for me. The consensus was that the standard in general was higher. I don&#8217;t think the others had seen it for a few years though, so I don&#8217;t think they were expecting all the big [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched the Eurovision Song Contest at a friend&#8217;s house this year, so for this first time Eurovision was drunken for me. The consensus was that the standard in general was higher. I don&#8217;t think the others had seen it for a few years though, so I don&#8217;t think they were expecting all the big drums and the quasi-Asian / indiginous sound that Eurovision is becoming used to these days.</p>
<p>I thought the standard was higher than average, but there wasn&#8217;t a stand-out winner for me. In the end, through gritted teeth, I voted for Ukraine for the second year running because their song wasn&#8217;t bad and it had a meaning aswell. Everybody was surprised at the number of rocky numbers. In fact, my friend was so impressed with the standard that he ended up voting for three countries &#8212; Norway, Moldova and Germany!</p>
<p>Ruslana popped up during the show several times. I was disappointed to discover that most of her other songs are shite, and she didn&#8217;t perform Wild Dances at all. Bah! It is rare for a Eurovision song to be genuinely great; Wild Dances was one of them.</p>
<p>I had Norway down to win, and I was surprised they didn&#8217;t do better. At first the voting was all over the place &#8212; there must have been about seven different &#8216;winning&#8217; songs. In the end it was Greece who won by a million miles though, with a standard Eurovision-pish song that I can&#8217;t even remember now.</p>
<p>Both me and my friend were in agreement that Terry Wogan is now well past his sell-by date. You can write his script. Insightful comments such as, &#8220;That chinky doesn&#8217;t look very Ukrainian to me,&#8221; and, &#8220;Look at that Cyrpus gave Greece twelve points&#8221; really don&#8217;t add anything to the Eurovision Song Contest any more. And why does he always have to relate everything to Riverdance? Time to punt Wogan off to Radio 2 where 50-year-olds can sit and listen to him for ever more, and leave the rest of us alone. Give Paddy O&#8217;Connell &#8212; who did a fine job commentating on the semi-final on BBC Three &#8212; a chance.</p>
<p>Of course, Wogan made his usual tired comments about &#8220;political voting.&#8221; Undoubtedly it exists. But Wogan makes it seem like the whole thing is a big eastern European fix. If Russia gives Ukraine two points it&#8217;s political voting; when Ireland and Malta give the UK three quarters of its full points haul it&#8217;s because the Irish and Maltese have good tastes in music! And if political voting plays such a big part, how come the same country doesn&#8217;t win every year?</p>
<p>Infact, if you want a political slant on the Eurovision Song Contest, notice that the bottom four were the big four contributors to the EBU: the UK, France, Germany and Spain! I don&#8217;t see what Germany and Spain did to do so badly. For a while, though, I thought that the UK and France would have something in common for once and share <em>nul points</em> status. Of course, Ireland and Malta were there to save the day for the UK; France scrounged a few points off Monaco. None of the big four will get relegated of course, because they contribute so much to the EBU. If you want to look even further in to it, Italy, Austria and Eurovision overachievers Ireland didn&#8217;t even get past the semi-final.</p>
<p>Of course the United Kingdom deserved to do as badly as it did. Our song was a bland song, trying to jump on the Brit-Asian bandwaggon; a bandwaggon which lost its wheels two years ago now. It was performed by Ms Blandness McBland of Blandshire with a <em>*ahem*</em> sore throat. Maybe this should be a wake-up call &#8212; not just for the UK, but for all of the big four who did badly.</p>
<p>It probably won&#8217;t be a wake-up call though. To the UK, Eurovision is a bit of kitsch, some light-hearted fun. Why not enter a cheesy song sung by a bland singer &#8212; a tactic the UK has followed for at least the past five years? France seem to be just about the only country left not singing in English.</p>
<p>But maybe it&#8217;s greater than the choice of song. I don&#8217;t see what was so bad with Spain and Germany&#8217;s entires. Infact, I thought they were quite good and didn&#8217;t deserved to be lumped in with the dire British and French entries. Perhaps this is political. Is the centre of Europe moving away from the traditional centre, and across to the east? Sometimes it&#8217;s difficult for the big countries in Europe to remember that they are only a part of Europe. Is there a genuine divide between &#8216;old Europe&#8217; and &#8216;new Europe&#8217;?</p>
<p>Of course, I&#8217;m probably looking too much into it. To us, Eurovision is still a bit of fun. But that&#8217;s the problem. For eastern Europe, winning the Eurovision Song Contest is probably a genuinely proud achievement for a country. I mean, could you imagine Tony Blair sharing the stage with Javine in the same way that Viktor Yuschenko did with Ruslana?</p>
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