Archive: BNP

You might have seen in my linklog that Make My Vote Count is spending this week debunking myths about proportional representation. Today’s is my favourite, Proportional representation helps extremist parties get into power.

It’s a bit of a funny one because this year we saw a clear case of First Past the Post benefiting the BNP in Barking & Dagenham. The BNP came second with 11 seats even though the Conservatives came second in terms of share of the votes.

I haven’t bothered reading very much about the Power Inquiry because I’ve heard from some that it’s pretty much predictable stuff (“a bit like a reformers greatest hits album”) and from others that it’s not actually that good. Besideswhich, there have been several reports that have made obvious common sense suggestions for electoral reform which have all been ignored by Labour, so there’s no reason to believe why this new one should be any reason to get optimistic.

But I was interested by this post on Jawbox about the votes at 16 idea. Ben Phillips is, if I remember correctly, not yet old enough to vote (please correct me if this is wrong) and it is intriguing that he is not in favour of lowering the voting age.

Before I hit 18 I was in favour of votes at 16, but now I’m not so sure. (And the steady journey to becoming an old Tory codger continues apace.) Of course, it all looks very different when you’re on the other side of the barrier. I know little about it, although I guess fewer men than women were in favour of women’s suffrage, and so on.

Ben is worried that sixteen year olds are more likely to vote BNP or just vote for who their parents tell them to because they’re more impressionable. It’s a good point, although I would have thought that people will always tend to vote the way their parents did, often because of shared heritage, socioeconomic reasons and so on. I probably began disagreeing with my parents at the age of about 14, and today at 19 I probably spend more time disagreeing than agreeing with him. But we’re all different. It’s difficult to believe, though, that people will turn 18 and all of a sudden at the click of your fingers they will no longer vote BNP or just blindly follow their parents.

By the same token, though, there is no reason why that should be the case at 16 either. I also agree with Ben that if a youngster is going to be interested in current affairs and politics, he’s going to be interested anyway, regardless of whether they get to vote at 16, 18, 21 or 6.

18-year-olds are pretty impressionable as well though. There are many who think that the voting age should be set at 21, and at times it’s easy to see why. At university it is difficult to encounter anybody who isn’t busy trying to have the most trendy and right-on political views. Indeed, Edinburgh students have just voted in that enormous bore Mark “Who? (Green list MSP)” Ballard as rector, presumably because he’s a Green, and that’s trendy and right-on.

Does this make their opinions worthless though? Of course it doesn’t. So where should the age limit be set? I really don’t know. I would probably still say 16. But I think the age itself isn’t so important. Growing up, it’s difficult to know when you become an adult. At 16 you can get married (in Scotland at least), are expected to be responsible enough to raise a child, make the decision to smoke yourself to death, and be sent off to fight a war by a government that you haven’t voted for. At 17 you’re let loose on the roads. At 18 you can vote, but there are still many rights yet to be granted.

Moreover, sixteen-year-olds are unique because they have direct experience of one of politics’ greatest hot potatoes, education. By that age, people take their education pretty seriously, so it’s fair to say that they would vote sensibly on the issue according to what they perceive to be their best interests. These are the people that are really affected by education policies, so why are they given the right to vote as soon as they leave school?

That’s why I think 16 is probably right on balance. But who am I to say that the age limits for marrying, smoking, etc, shouldn’t be raised to 18? I’m not all that fussed about it any more — but then it’s easy to say that standing on this side of the barrier.

Kirkcaldy flags up the union’s true colours — a Sunday Times journalist dons a union flag t-shirt and tests reaction in Gordon Brown’s constituency.

The BNP have used a photo of the bus bomed in London on Thursday in their latest election leaflet. They can fuck right off. (Via.)

Arthur’s Seat:

A cracking night for the Scottish LibDems, mild anxiety for Labour, disappointment for the SNP and frustration for the Scottish Tories.

Contrasting with my view earlier in the evening that it was a good night for everybody except Labour. Looking back, though, the SNP did say that they wanted 6 seats minimum (that’s the impression I got anyway), so in this respect they only just scraped a good result. I still think to Tories’ win is a big one though, even though they lost out on Dumfries and Galloway. However, the Conservatives and the SNP have been shoved down to fourth and third respectively. Undoubtedly the Lib Dems were the biggest winners in Scotland.

Stuart Dickson and Alister Black have their takes on the Scottish results.

Nick Griffin was wearing anti-racism wristbands.

I bloody love you, you’re my best mate, etc. Tony Blair seems to be acknowledging some sort of message in some way. First there was Gordon Brown playing a central role throughout the campaign. Then Alan Milburn is off (apparently not jumped before he was pushed. Absolutely not. No). At dawn he was calling everybody his comrades! Then his speech outside Number 10 acknowledged that Labour would have a tougher time in this Parliament.

I’ve just been watching the Scottish lunchtime round-up here. David Robertson asked Colin Fox how he could be taken seriously if he’s walking about the streets of Glasgow dressed up as Robin Hood. Fox’s response was robust, and I agree. The SSP’s humorous approach has been one of the few interesting things about the election campaign. It’s part of the SSP itself though; let’s get used to it and enjoy it for what it is: a serious message delivered in an entertaining manner.

Tabloid Photoshop contest.

To round off, there are two real highlights from last night that stick in my mind. Galloway versus Paxman of course is one. But the other is Robert Kilroy-Silk hearing just how few votes he got. He looked genuinely puzzled, like he couldn’t comprehend how he could barely get more than 5% of the votes.

I think that’s all for the moment…

Update: Peter Hain is on News 24 right now trying to make out that Tony Blair is responsible for “bumping off” four Tory leaders.

UKIP have lost £225,500 in lost deposits. Ouch!

Update: What is also amazing is just how accurate the polls were. Not just the exit polls, but the polls in general were pretty much bang on!