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		<title>By: bella gerens &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revelation and the grand narrative</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1491968</link>
		<dc:creator>bella gerens &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Revelation and the grand narrative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] To give Bunting a bit of credit, she does not suggest that democracy itself is an unassailable system of governance; as the Devil&#8217;s Kitchen has pointed out, democracy has many faults. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] To give Bunting a bit of credit, she does not suggest that democracy itself is an unassailable system of governance; as the Devil&#8217;s Kitchen has pointed out, democracy has many faults. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henry the Navigator</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1399640</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry the Navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 21:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Duncan Stephen</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1380536</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comment Henry. I agree that democracy does not just mean elections. What is the second part of your definition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Henry. I agree that democracy does not just mean elections. What is the second part of your definition?</p>
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		<title>By: Henry the Navigator</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1380306</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry the Navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Duncan Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Henry, thanks for the comment.

I don&#039;t want to get too bogged down in a debate about semantics. Really this was an article about the shortcomings of elections, and I used the wider concept of democracy to hang that on.

However, I would define a democracy as a situation when citizens are free to express opposing political viewpoints and there is an effective and established mechanism to peacefully change government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry, thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to get too bogged down in a debate about semantics. Really this was an article about the shortcomings of elections, and I used the wider concept of democracy to hang that on.</p>
<p>However, I would define a democracy as a situation when citizens are free to express opposing political viewpoints and there is an effective and established mechanism to peacefully change government.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry the Navigator</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1378216</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry the Navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your interesting comment Anthony. I have my doubts about direct democracy. Quite how likely it is that you would ever be able to construct agnostic government departments is something I doubt too. But you are right to point out the affluence of Switzerland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your interesting comment Anthony. I have my doubts about direct democracy. Quite how likely it is that you would ever be able to construct agnostic government departments is something I doubt too. But you are right to point out the affluence of Switzerland.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit of a late entry. Just discovered this excellent blog.
Every bit correct. 

Does the solution not lie, however, in circumventing this entire issue by noting the evil to be voting for candidates within parties, when we ought be voting for the policies themselves? 

Lets imagine Govts broken into 5-10 agnostic departments, manned by experts without political prejudice, holding the responsibility to implement the consensus view of the voter. In respect of the 5 reasons to distrust democracy, we might see....

1. None of the anti-freedom measures accepted, certainly not if the option was expressed to voters in terms of willingness to pay for them.
2. There would not be any tyranny of the minority - the population could vote for (e.g.) stronger prison sentences vs less prison sentences; more immigration vs. less immigration etc. If the issue means something to you, you vote.
3. Parties act out of self-interest. Politicians currently lie, deceive etc because of self-interest, within the party system. So, engineer this behaviour: Re-define the role of MP to being a literal public servant. To act in the public interest and self-interest becomes one and the same.
4. As above - individuals could certainly voice their opinions in public debates that preceded votes to change policy, thereby persuading and educating others. Everyone can be an activist.
5. If people vote on prejudices, then let’s change that. Removing the party system removes the targets of those ancient prejudices. The proposal - to vote for policy direction - also serves to motivate curiosity and engagement with the issues and see prejudices challenged within the inevitable debates.

Switzerland - best off country in Europe: I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit of a late entry. Just discovered this excellent blog.<br />
Every bit correct. </p>
<p>Does the solution not lie, however, in circumventing this entire issue by noting the evil to be voting for candidates within parties, when we ought be voting for the policies themselves? </p>
<p>Lets imagine Govts broken into 5-10 agnostic departments, manned by experts without political prejudice, holding the responsibility to implement the consensus view of the voter. In respect of the 5 reasons to distrust democracy, we might see&#8230;.</p>
<p>1. None of the anti-freedom measures accepted, certainly not if the option was expressed to voters in terms of willingness to pay for them.<br />
2. There would not be any tyranny of the minority &#8211; the population could vote for (e.g.) stronger prison sentences vs less prison sentences; more immigration vs. less immigration etc. If the issue means something to you, you vote.<br />
3. Parties act out of self-interest. Politicians currently lie, deceive etc because of self-interest, within the party system. So, engineer this behaviour: Re-define the role of MP to being a literal public servant. To act in the public interest and self-interest becomes one and the same.<br />
4. As above &#8211; individuals could certainly voice their opinions in public debates that preceded votes to change policy, thereby persuading and educating others. Everyone can be an activist.<br />
5. If people vote on prejudices, then let’s change that. Removing the party system removes the targets of those ancient prejudices. The proposal &#8211; to vote for policy direction &#8211; also serves to motivate curiosity and engagement with the issues and see prejudices challenged within the inevitable debates.</p>
<p>Switzerland &#8211; best off country in Europe: I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1243459</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, I get your point now. I absolutely agree that it would be a good idea to strengthen local democracy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, I get your point now. I absolutely agree that it would be a good idea to strengthen local democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Shields</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/05/31/five-disturbing-things-about-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-1243166</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what i was trying to say is that if local democracy was strong then people would be able to have greater influence upon decision making, rather than each vote counting more per say. i.e If each council had more power over the money is raises then the local populations needs/wants would be taken care of, whereas at Westminster its really only the wants of people in swing seats that get an airing. And then if the other party is in power it takes years to have another opportunity to change the policies of the govt. What im after is more power at the local level because it would give people a greater opportunity to get the politics and politicians they want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what i was trying to say is that if local democracy was strong then people would be able to have greater influence upon decision making, rather than each vote counting more per say. i.e If each council had more power over the money is raises then the local populations needs/wants would be taken care of, whereas at Westminster its really only the wants of people in swing seats that get an airing. And then if the other party is in power it takes years to have another opportunity to change the policies of the govt. What im after is more power at the local level because it would give people a greater opportunity to get the politics and politicians they want.</p>
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