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		<title>By: Why did McLaren rely on Race Control to tell them the obvious? &#171; doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/04/03/yet-another-mclaren-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1596185</link>
		<dc:creator>Why did McLaren rely on Race Control to tell them the obvious? &#171; doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been damaged by this approach before, most notably two years earlier at the same race when Lewis Hamilton got mixed up behind the safety car. Here, too, McLaren sought advice from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/04/03/yet-another-mclaren-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1505332</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 17:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John B, It&#039;s always an interesting point to wonder how the FIA would have treated Ferrari in the same situation. The thing is, Ferrari haven&#039;t been caught doing anything like this in recent times. For McLaren, it seems to fit an emerging pattern. A major difference is that, whatever you make of the FIA&#039;s handling of Stepneygate, McLaren were warned about their future conduct, whereas Ferrari haven&#039;t been. McLaren knew that and they should have been more careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John B, It&#8217;s always an interesting point to wonder how the FIA would have treated Ferrari in the same situation. The thing is, Ferrari haven&#8217;t been caught doing anything like this in recent times. For McLaren, it seems to fit an emerging pattern. A major difference is that, whatever you make of the FIA&#8217;s handling of Stepneygate, McLaren were warned about their future conduct, whereas Ferrari haven&#8217;t been. McLaren knew that and they should have been more careful.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qn @ DoctorVee - if the team in question had been Ferarri, would the FIA be treating this as seriously as they are for McLaren, or would they have ignored it totally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qn @ DoctorVee &#8211; if the team in question had been Ferarri, would the FIA be treating this as seriously as they are for McLaren, or would they have ignored it totally?</p>
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		<title>By: El Gordo</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/04/03/yet-another-mclaren-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-1505330</link>
		<dc:creator>El Gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent post, covering a lot of ground there.  I agree that Lewis cannot be blameless in this, and it also has to be said the McLaren&#039;s paranoia about FIA rulings is justified - the FIA seem to specialise in making wrong or contradictory rulings (or for that matter, just way too many rulings).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent post, covering a lot of ground there.  I agree that Lewis cannot be blameless in this, and it also has to be said the McLaren&#8217;s paranoia about FIA rulings is justified &#8211; the FIA seem to specialise in making wrong or contradictory rulings (or for that matter, just way too many rulings).</p>
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		<title>By: Did Martin Whitmarsh know more? &#171; vee8 - a Formula 1 blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Did Martin Whitmarsh know more? &#171; vee8 - a Formula 1 blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new set of newspapers came out this morning, and that means a new set of stories about the latest McLaren scandal. It looks like Lewis Hamilton has won some respect for his contrite apology, which was apparently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Loh MY</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loh MY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lewis cannot be blameless for this.

If you are told to withhold the truth, you have to use your good sense. If go ahead with the team instructions, you are as guilty as the team. It works like this for the rest of the world and it should be no different for Lewis.

Lewis&#039;s apology was something he had to do to rescue his image. Whether he was sorry that he did it, or that he was caught, is debatable. He blamed Dave Ryan and did not even admit that he should have known better.

With Mclaren, he was given many opportunities and has achieved his dreams. You have to take the good and the bad. For him to leave the team when they have made some mistakes, or when they are down, would be ungrateful, and would reflect badly on Lewis as a person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lewis cannot be blameless for this.</p>
<p>If you are told to withhold the truth, you have to use your good sense. If go ahead with the team instructions, you are as guilty as the team. It works like this for the rest of the world and it should be no different for Lewis.</p>
<p>Lewis&#8217;s apology was something he had to do to rescue his image. Whether he was sorry that he did it, or that he was caught, is debatable. He blamed Dave Ryan and did not even admit that he should have known better.</p>
<p>With Mclaren, he was given many opportunities and has achieved his dreams. You have to take the good and the bad. For him to leave the team when they have made some mistakes, or when they are down, would be ungrateful, and would reflect badly on Lewis as a person.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The usual precise and balanced view from you; nevertheless, I would not release Hamilton as 100% not responsible. In other occasions he did not obey team orders (Hungary 2007) and nothing happened to him, so this week was another very good occasion for desobeying McLaren.

I am sure suddenly lots of people will look at 2007 in a different way... but anyway, terrible management by a powerful team. With such monumental amount of money in the spot it is unbeliavable that they made such a huge mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The usual precise and balanced view from you; nevertheless, I would not release Hamilton as 100% not responsible. In other occasions he did not obey team orders (Hungary 2007) and nothing happened to him, so this week was another very good occasion for desobeying McLaren.</p>
<p>I am sure suddenly lots of people will look at 2007 in a different way&#8230; but anyway, terrible management by a powerful team. With such monumental amount of money in the spot it is unbeliavable that they made such a huge mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments.

Francois, I think you are quite right to point out all of those strategy errors McLaren have made in the past few years. McLaren seem to stumble from one blunder to the next, and you have to wonder quite why things have unravelled so spectacularly in the past few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>Francois, I think you are quite right to point out all of those strategy errors McLaren have made in the past few years. McLaren seem to stumble from one blunder to the next, and you have to wonder quite why things have unravelled so spectacularly in the past few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be fair to McLaren, it is not the only team to have trouble interpreting the rules.  It is clear from the radio transmission between Trulli and Toyota in Melbourne that they did not know what to do either.  That is understandable, since the rules do not cover the case of a car going off the track during a yellow flag period.  The &quot;slowing with a problem&quot; exemption to the no passing rule has been cited as covering this but this is an interpretation that the stewards do not necessarily share in.  They have done so this time but that is no guarantee that they will do so the next time the problem crops up.

Too often the rules are unclear and/or interpreted by the stewards in inexplicable ways so it is no wonder that McLaren are paranoid, having suffered from far too many bad decisions in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair to McLaren, it is not the only team to have trouble interpreting the rules.  It is clear from the radio transmission between Trulli and Toyota in Melbourne that they did not know what to do either.  That is understandable, since the rules do not cover the case of a car going off the track during a yellow flag period.  The &#8220;slowing with a problem&#8221; exemption to the no passing rule has been cited as covering this but this is an interpretation that the stewards do not necessarily share in.  They have done so this time but that is no guarantee that they will do so the next time the problem crops up.</p>
<p>Too often the rules are unclear and/or interpreted by the stewards in inexplicable ways so it is no wonder that McLaren are paranoid, having suffered from far too many bad decisions in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: francois</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with the sympathy - I think the fairest way to settle this would be to reinstate Lewis to P4 behind Trulli (he did nothing wrong on the track) and give him his points + fine.Big fine for McLaren + no constructors championship points.He did lie , yes , but as you pointed out well he was given instruction to do this by Dave Ryan (erroneously) and probably wouldn&#039;t have thought to question a senior member like this.

Interesting you post that - I&#039;ve always been under the impression since Hungary 07&#039; that McLaren seem to have some serious issues as a team which seem to have severely compromised their decision making (far too conservative) on quite a few occasions.A few occurances particularly stick in my mind: (I know it&#039;s easy to sit on a PC and write this when I&#039;m not making the decisions :D)

China 07 - Hamilton is kept out on worn rear tyres while it&#039;s quite obvious to all watching he desperately needs to be brought in (severe drop off in lap times).When they do bring him in he runs wide because the right rear tyre is destroyed to the canvas.The rest is history.

Brazil 07 - Team chooses a extremely aggressive three stop strategy after Hamilton has intermittent transmission failure running him on softer tyres which fell away very quickly in ultimate laptime.

Silverstone 08? - Took in my view quite a gamble not putting Lewis onto full wet tyres during delug like Honda did with Barrichello

Hockenheim 08 - like you mentioned , the team did not react to a SC being deployed fast enough to bring him in , left him P4/P5 after restart.

Italy 08 - Poor timing with sending Lewis out on inters on a track which was clearly too wet for him to get any kind of tyre temp with steadily increasing rainfall.(Hope this doesn&#039;t happen tomorrow)

Brazil 08 - Dangerously conservative strategy , there was a part in that race when Hamilton didn&#039;t seem to be pushing on in P4 when I felt he should have closed on Kimi and built a gap away from the car behind him.Team did not react quickly to put Lewis on dry tyres again after initial shower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with the sympathy &#8211; I think the fairest way to settle this would be to reinstate Lewis to P4 behind Trulli (he did nothing wrong on the track) and give him his points + fine.Big fine for McLaren + no constructors championship points.He did lie , yes , but as you pointed out well he was given instruction to do this by Dave Ryan (erroneously) and probably wouldn&#8217;t have thought to question a senior member like this.</p>
<p>Interesting you post that &#8211; I&#8217;ve always been under the impression since Hungary 07&#8242; that McLaren seem to have some serious issues as a team which seem to have severely compromised their decision making (far too conservative) on quite a few occasions.A few occurances particularly stick in my mind: (I know it&#8217;s easy to sit on a PC and write this when I&#8217;m not making the decisions <img src='http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>China 07 &#8211; Hamilton is kept out on worn rear tyres while it&#8217;s quite obvious to all watching he desperately needs to be brought in (severe drop off in lap times).When they do bring him in he runs wide because the right rear tyre is destroyed to the canvas.The rest is history.</p>
<p>Brazil 07 &#8211; Team chooses a extremely aggressive three stop strategy after Hamilton has intermittent transmission failure running him on softer tyres which fell away very quickly in ultimate laptime.</p>
<p>Silverstone 08? &#8211; Took in my view quite a gamble not putting Lewis onto full wet tyres during delug like Honda did with Barrichello</p>
<p>Hockenheim 08 &#8211; like you mentioned , the team did not react to a SC being deployed fast enough to bring him in , left him P4/P5 after restart.</p>
<p>Italy 08 &#8211; Poor timing with sending Lewis out on inters on a track which was clearly too wet for him to get any kind of tyre temp with steadily increasing rainfall.(Hope this doesn&#8217;t happen tomorrow)</p>
<p>Brazil 08 &#8211; Dangerously conservative strategy , there was a part in that race when Hamilton didn&#8217;t seem to be pushing on in P4 when I felt he should have closed on Kimi and built a gap away from the car behind him.Team did not react quickly to put Lewis on dry tyres again after initial shower.</p>
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