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	<title>Comments on: Charlie Gordon&#8217;s expensive website attracted just 18 visits per day</title>
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		<title>By: Why you don&#8217;t let your kid make your web site &#171; Tips from Idea15 Web Design</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-1047034</link>
		<dc:creator>Why you don&#8217;t let your kid make your web site &#171; Tips from Idea15 Web Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The issue still remains unchanged: this is not an question of nepotism or cronyism. This is an issue of shortcuts and the law. See my further comments on Doctor Vee. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The issue still remains unchanged: this is not an question of nepotism or cronyism. This is an issue of shortcuts and the law. See my further comments on Doctor Vee. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alianora La Canta</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-1005466</link>
		<dc:creator>Alianora La Canta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still struggling to get my head around the idea that my site, which costs me absolutely nothing, has no staff involved, uses a default template (i.e. no coding from me), requires a few minutes a day to keep running and discussing something which, in the greater scheme of things, is not that important, is out-hitting a site by a Member of Parliament paying a four/five-figure sum per year*. 

I have an average of 26.19 visits per day across the life of my blog despite the first nine months having virtually no hits due to me not linking to my site anywhere outside the forum where it initially lived. If I only included the time when I had links to the outside internet, I&#039;d have at least double the traffic count of Charlie Gordon.

Granted, I don&#039;t know how big or web-interested Charlie Gordon&#039;s constituency is, but surely he should be able to do a better job than this. He could start by getting a standard free blog platform and template and using half-time in Queens Park matches to update his site. He probably lists his phone costs under &quot;call handling&quot; anyway and it would cost him about £1 a match on pay-as-you-go. That&#039;s £2 a week to sort out his site content and he&#039;ll have a better site than he does now. Plus he&#039;ll never complain about how long the gaps between halves are.

Also, he could justify having what appears to be a Queens Park FC season ticket in his political expenses, because he&#039;d be doing some proper political work in that time.

If Charlie thinks this is a good idea, he can contact me and I&#039;ll give him whatever help he requires.

* - &quot;Call handling&quot; sounds like it might be a telephone service provided by GMG. Hopefully it is better value for money than the website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still struggling to get my head around the idea that my site, which costs me absolutely nothing, has no staff involved, uses a default template (i.e. no coding from me), requires a few minutes a day to keep running and discussing something which, in the greater scheme of things, is not that important, is out-hitting a site by a Member of Parliament paying a four/five-figure sum per year*. </p>
<p>I have an average of 26.19 visits per day across the life of my blog despite the first nine months having virtually no hits due to me not linking to my site anywhere outside the forum where it initially lived. If I only included the time when I had links to the outside internet, I&#8217;d have at least double the traffic count of Charlie Gordon.</p>
<p>Granted, I don&#8217;t know how big or web-interested Charlie Gordon&#8217;s constituency is, but surely he should be able to do a better job than this. He could start by getting a standard free blog platform and template and using half-time in Queens Park matches to update his site. He probably lists his phone costs under &#8220;call handling&#8221; anyway and it would cost him about £1 a match on pay-as-you-go. That&#8217;s £2 a week to sort out his site content and he&#8217;ll have a better site than he does now. Plus he&#8217;ll never complain about how long the gaps between halves are.</p>
<p>Also, he could justify having what appears to be a Queens Park FC season ticket in his political expenses, because he&#8217;d be doing some proper political work in that time.</p>
<p>If Charlie thinks this is a good idea, he can contact me and I&#8217;ll give him whatever help he requires.</p>
<p>* &#8211; &#8220;Call handling&#8221; sounds like it might be a telephone service provided by GMG. Hopefully it is better value for money than the website.</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-1000688</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vicky, most Lib Dem M(s)Ps use the Praiter Raines partnership, which charges £50 initial setup and just under £300 per year for a fairly flexible template based site.

I&#039;m taking on the contract for a different MP, wordpress install, and am doing it for the same amount as it&#039;s what I compete with. I personally dislike PRAI sites, but they&#039;re improving constantly and it&#039;s a successful business, my dislike is appearance and design, not functionality, which is effective.

If you want an all singing and all dancing site, you can pay loads for it, but for most MPs a fairly basic site with static content and news/blogging functionality is fine, you can always pay for extra plugins for Wordpress if you feel the need.

Given the hosting for that sort of traffic is going to be no more than £5 per month, that&#039;s £20 per month for very little real work unless something goes wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vicky, most Lib Dem M(s)Ps use the Praiter Raines partnership, which charges £50 initial setup and just under £300 per year for a fairly flexible template based site.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m taking on the contract for a different MP, wordpress install, and am doing it for the same amount as it&#8217;s what I compete with. I personally dislike PRAI sites, but they&#8217;re improving constantly and it&#8217;s a successful business, my dislike is appearance and design, not functionality, which is effective.</p>
<p>If you want an all singing and all dancing site, you can pay loads for it, but for most MPs a fairly basic site with static content and news/blogging functionality is fine, you can always pay for extra plugins for WordPress if you feel the need.</p>
<p>Given the hosting for that sort of traffic is going to be no more than £5 per month, that&#8217;s £20 per month for very little real work unless something goes wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack D Stephen</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-999460</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack D Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does he perhaps pay his QPFC season ticket by direct debit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does he perhaps pay his QPFC season ticket by direct debit?</p>
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		<title>By: The prohibitive cost of a Glasgow based web site?</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-998778</link>
		<dc:creator>The prohibitive cost of a Glasgow based web site?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I learned that Duncan Stephens, a 20 year old lad from Kirkcaldy, has, with commendable web sleuthing ability,  dissected another [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anna Raccoon</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-998754</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Raccoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,
I stumbled across your web site this morning whilst researching a piece I am writing about web site costs. I&#039;m so impressed with your efforts - and your sleuthing ability - that I&#039;m going to put up a link to you from my own site. 
Well done that man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,<br />
I stumbled across your web site this morning whilst researching a piece I am writing about web site costs. I&#8217;m so impressed with your efforts &#8211; and your sleuthing ability &#8211; that I&#8217;m going to put up a link to you from my own site.<br />
Well done that man!</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-998131</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan, I have no idea. I&#039;m still scratching my head on that one. I didn&#039;t mention it because I had nothing to say about it, but it certainly is a strange looking one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan, I have no idea. I&#8217;m still scratching my head on that one. I didn&#8217;t mention it because I had nothing to say about it, but it certainly is a strange looking one.</p>
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		<title>By: duncan</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-998126</link>
		<dc:creator>duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good find!  One thing that having his website in the news has done, it gave his stats in late January a big boost!  

I&#039;d also noticed the £11.80 payments to Queen&#039;s Park FC.... what do you suppose that&#039;s for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good find!  One thing that having his website in the news has done, it gave his stats in late January a big boost!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also noticed the £11.80 payments to Queen&#8217;s Park FC&#8230;. what do you suppose that&#8217;s for?</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-998066</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What this incident has brought to light is the fact that MSPs are not being offered any guidance by their employer - the Scottish Parliament - on what their web sites must do, achieve, and comply with.  Without the need to comply with guidelines or to do an open procurement process, you are going to run into problems like this.  I have entered into correspondence with my own MSP about this issue and he is raising it with their Equalities Unit.  Hopefully this will not happen again.

FWIW when I was in the public sector (choke, gasp) the community development agency I worked for spent a five figure sum on a website revamp without ever checking the analytics on the existing site.  When I did, and cleaned out all the stat rubbish to reveal a whopping eight external hits per week,  the cost per visit on the new site was £1,800.   After I left the agency in disgust, they then spent something like £60k rebranding the agency and commissioning a whole new site a year later, knowing full well that they would be merging with another agency a year after that and rebranding/redesigning yet again.  Three site revamps which probably totaled over £100k for a site that nobody actually wanted.  Welcome to Scotland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What this incident has brought to light is the fact that MSPs are not being offered any guidance by their employer &#8211; the Scottish Parliament &#8211; on what their web sites must do, achieve, and comply with.  Without the need to comply with guidelines or to do an open procurement process, you are going to run into problems like this.  I have entered into correspondence with my own MSP about this issue and he is raising it with their Equalities Unit.  Hopefully this will not happen again.</p>
<p>FWIW when I was in the public sector (choke, gasp) the community development agency I worked for spent a five figure sum on a website revamp without ever checking the analytics on the existing site.  When I did, and cleaned out all the stat rubbish to reveal a whopping eight external hits per week,  the cost per visit on the new site was £1,800.   After I left the agency in disgust, they then spent something like £60k rebranding the agency and commissioning a whole new site a year later, knowing full well that they would be merging with another agency a year after that and rebranding/redesigning yet again.  Three site revamps which probably totaled over £100k for a site that nobody actually wanted.  Welcome to Scotland.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2009/02/03/charlie-gordons-expensive-website-18-visits/comment-page-1/#comment-997909</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess &quot;call handling&quot; is just a catch-all term to describe the other duties Gavin Gordon does -- swallowing up the other £11k+. Charlie Gordon gave a longer description in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2483847.0.Charlie_Gordon_pays_son_13_000_from_expenses.php&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Herald&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s story&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess &#8220;call handling&#8221; is just a catch-all term to describe the other duties Gavin Gordon does &#8212; swallowing up the other £11k+. Charlie Gordon gave a longer description in <a href="http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/news/display.var.2483847.0.Charlie_Gordon_pays_son_13_000_from_expenses.php"><i>The Herald</i>&#8216;s story</a>.</p>
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