Comments on: The role of the stewards http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/ Not a real vee Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:51:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: McLaren appeal ruled inadmissible » vee8 - a Formula 1 blog http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505129 McLaren appeal ruled inadmissible » vee8 - a Formula 1 blog Tue, 23 Sep 2008 15:25:22 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505129 [...] postsWhat the rules say (or rather, what they don’t say)The role of the stewardsAnother opinion on the incidentFocus on Ferrari’s pitstopsForza Minardi! Bravo [...] [...] postsWhat the rules say (or rather, what they don’t say)The role of the stewardsAnother opinion on the incidentFocus on Ferrari’s pitstopsForza Minardi! Bravo [...]

]]> By: Luke http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505128 Luke Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:27:01 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505128 Totally agree with the point re: starting any potential investigation IMMEDIATELY, decisions can come later, but it's hard to see any sporting reason why, if by the end of the race the stewards have no investigation under way, they should suddenly deem on necessary. Taking direction post facto from the race director in this matter begs the questions: what is their qualification? what is their training? In this regard the FIA's reaction has been shockingly mismanaged. No surprise to me that in fact Mosley's reaction to the scandal wa simply patroninising, accusing those who percieve bias of being "stupid". In hos position (as anyone with proper commercial management experience would know) he should be ensuring that his organisations decision making processes are seen to be crystal clear, and that he is in a position to emphasise the expertise, training and experience of his stewards. He doesn't of of course, because the idea that this might be important is not taken seriously. F! teams are highly professional outfits, it is my submission that the FIA is not. It is in fact little more than a network of "influential"and connected people with little practical relevant experience. FI teams and management should immediately pressure the FIA for greater transparency in the training, expertise, selection and decisions of stewards as a matter of utmost urgency, if the FIA does not get it's house in order and become transparent and accountable, no new agreements (concorde or otherwise) should be signed The credibility of the sport demands it Totally agree with the point re: starting any potential investigation IMMEDIATELY, decisions can come later, but it’s hard to see any sporting reason why, if by the end of the race the stewards have no investigation under way, they should suddenly deem on necessary.

Taking direction post facto from the race director in this matter begs the questions: what is their qualification? what is their training?

In this regard the FIA’s reaction has been shockingly mismanaged. No surprise to me that in fact Mosley’s reaction to the scandal wa simply patroninising, accusing those who percieve bias of being “stupid”.

In hos position (as anyone with proper commercial management experience would know) he should be ensuring that his organisations decision making processes are seen to be crystal clear, and that he is in a position to emphasise the expertise, training and experience of his stewards.

He doesn’t of of course, because the idea that this might be important is not taken seriously. F! teams are highly professional outfits, it is my submission that the FIA is not. It is in fact little more than a network of “influential”and connected people with little practical relevant experience.

FI teams and management should immediately pressure the FIA for greater transparency in the training, expertise, selection and decisions of stewards as a matter of utmost urgency, if the FIA does not get it’s house in order and become transparent and accountable, no new agreements (concorde or otherwise) should be signed

The credibility of the sport demands it

]]> By: Hamilton penalty: FIA closes the stable door after the horse has bolted (Video) | F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505127 Hamilton penalty: FIA closes the stable door after the horse has bolted (Video) | F1 Fanatic - The Formula 1 Blog Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:02:59 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505127 [...] The role of the stewards - Doctorvee looks at why race director Charlie Whiting might have changed his mind about the pass [...] [...] The role of the stewards – Doctorvee looks at why race director Charlie Whiting might have changed his mind about the pass [...]

]]> By: john b http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505126 john b Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:21:26 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505126 <i>Given that it can take the stewards 30 laps to come to a decision sometimes</i> Surely that's the point - instead, they should follow footy referees' example, and make a decision immediately based on the best evidence. If it's wrong, then *whatever* - at least everyone understands the lie of the land... Given that it can take the stewards 30 laps to come to a decision sometimes

Surely that’s the point – instead, they should follow footy referees’ example, and make a decision immediately based on the best evidence.

If it’s wrong, then *whatever* – at least everyone understands the lie of the land…

]]> By: Craig http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505125 Craig Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:05:38 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505125 Personally, and this may be wrong, regarding the Whiting situation - I think that at the end of the race when he submitted his report to the stewards (or spoke to them or whatever it is that happens) he probably mentioned this incident simply because McLaren in turn asked him about it. In my mind, if a team feels something may be questionable then that's something the stewards should be made aware of - no doubt Whiting also informed them that he thought the move turned out okay at the time. Then again, he would only have had a look at it in realtime without all the team data etc which was available to the stewards later on. At the end of the day without any transparency at all in this whole process it's impossible to say for sure what did or didn't happen. Hopefully with the appeal we may at least get transcripts - but I won't hold my breath! Personally, and this may be wrong, regarding the Whiting situation – I think that at the end of the race when he submitted his report to the stewards (or spoke to them or whatever it is that happens) he probably mentioned this incident simply because McLaren in turn asked him about it.

In my mind, if a team feels something may be questionable then that’s something the stewards should be made aware of – no doubt Whiting also informed them that he thought the move turned out okay at the time.

Then again, he would only have had a look at it in realtime without all the team data etc which was available to the stewards later on.

At the end of the day without any transparency at all in this whole process it’s impossible to say for sure what did or didn’t happen.

Hopefully with the appeal we may at least get transcripts – but I won’t hold my breath!

]]> By: Alianora La Canta http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505124 Alianora La Canta Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:16:40 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505124 Because you could get blatant rule breaches towards the end of the race change the results entirely without any action from the stewards. Given that it can take the stewards 30 laps to come to a decision sometimes, that's an awful lot of the race which becomes a free-for-all. And that's before you start on technical regulation breaches... Because you could get blatant rule breaches towards the end of the race change the results entirely without any action from the stewards. Given that it can take the stewards 30 laps to come to a decision sometimes, that’s an awful lot of the race which becomes a free-for-all. And that’s before you start on technical regulation breaches…

]]> By: john b http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505123 john b Thu, 11 Sep 2008 13:25:42 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505123 "<i>People cannot be adjudged to have won just because a race has finished - that would be a recipe for anarchy.</i>" Football has rules; they're rigourously enforced; but the referee's decision during the match (however wrong it might happen to be) is final in terms of determining the match result. I don't see why the same couldn't be applied to F1? “People cannot be adjudged to have won just because a race has finished – that would be a recipe for anarchy.”

Football has rules; they’re rigourously enforced; but the referee’s decision during the match (however wrong it might happen to be) is final in terms of determining the match result. I don’t see why the same couldn’t be applied to F1?

]]> By: Andy http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/09/11/the-role-of-the-stewards/comment-page-1/#comment-1505122 Andy Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:38:54 +0000 http://vee8.doctorvee.co.uk/?p=639#comment-1505122 Very amusing Wikipedia article - I think DeMontezemelo has seen it though - the current version has been taken down :) Very amusing Wikipedia article – I think DeMontezemelo has seen it though – the current version has been taken down :)

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