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	<title>Comments on: This is the news Jim, but not as we know (or want) it</title>
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	<description>Not a real vee</description>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2008/01/25/this-is-the-news-jim-but-not-as-we-know-or-want-it/comment-page-1/#comment-320448</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure if ITN were invited to produce a serious, heavyweight current affairs programme that wasn&#039;t headed by Trevor McDoughnut, they&#039;d jump at the opportunity. Obviously the problem isn&#039;t with ITN because they do a really good job with Channel 4&#039;s programmes.

Incidentally, has everyone else noticed how the ITN branding has disappeared without a trace over the years? It used to always be called &quot;ITN News&quot; and &quot;ITN News at Ten&quot; (heh, it rhymes) and with ITN logos all over the place.

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Now the only clue that ITN are involved is in the credits at the end.

For anyone interested, here is a longer version of the &quot;no news&quot; sketch from Time Trumpet which Adam Buxton made. It comes complete with a joke about pointless two-ways.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure if ITN were invited to produce a serious, heavyweight current affairs programme that wasn&#8217;t headed by Trevor McDoughnut, they&#8217;d jump at the opportunity. Obviously the problem isn&#8217;t with ITN because they do a really good job with Channel 4&#8217;s programmes.</p>
<p>Incidentally, has everyone else noticed how the ITN branding has disappeared without a trace over the years? It used to always be called &#8220;ITN News&#8221; and &#8220;ITN News at Ten&#8221; (heh, it rhymes) and with ITN logos all over the place.</p>
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<p>Now the only clue that ITN are involved is in the credits at the end.</p>
<p>For anyone interested, here is a longer version of the &#8220;no news&#8221; sketch from Time Trumpet which Adam Buxton made. It comes complete with a joke about pointless two-ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Toxic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toxic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 13:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean you don&#039;t think Sir Trevor McDonut should have been knighted for services to reading out loud?

&quot;I fear it’s the “target demographic” problem&quot;

Where&#039;s the problem - news on ITV fits it&#039;s viewers the &quot;***** from Hell&quot; brigade. Morons have to be catered for as well you know ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean you don&#8217;t think Sir Trevor McDonut should have been knighted for services to reading out loud?</p>
<p>&#8220;I fear it’s the “target demographic” problem&#8221;</p>
<p>Where&#8217;s the problem &#8211; news on ITV fits it&#8217;s viewers the &#8220;***** from Hell&#8221; brigade. Morons have to be catered for as well you know <img src='http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Richard Leyton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Leyton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Largely agree. Not sure when I actually last watched ITV, much less their news programme. I may catch parts of it at lunchtime, but only before switching over to BBC News 24.

A puzzle for you though. The news is produced by ITN, *for* ITV. OK, so I&#039;m perhaps distinguishing two organisations that are joined at the hip, but ITN is the organisation that brings Channel 4 news to our screens. 

The Channel 4 news programme is, in my view, the single best television news programme going. Newsnight is a close 2nd, but is frequently just too dreary or antagonistic for my tastes. I find much of BBC1&#039;s news bulletins painful (All those presenters taking turns to read *one* headline). 

C4 have a decent time slot and allocation, top notch presenters (who continue to produce some solid journalism), and an independent sense of purpose. 

I fear it&#039;s the &quot;target demographic&quot; problem (or whatever you might call it). The commissioners at ITV are requesting ITN produce a programme that remain &#039;soft&#039;, &#039;engaging&#039; and &#039;relevant&#039;, or similar such, and in doing so are losing sight of the very reason people are watching the news. To be informed in a way that feels authoritative. Sounds like they&#039;ve missed it badly, and I&#039;m a bit worried that the great saviour Michael Grade may not be so great, or much of a saviour, if this is what we&#039;ve got to judge him by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Largely agree. Not sure when I actually last watched ITV, much less their news programme. I may catch parts of it at lunchtime, but only before switching over to BBC News 24.</p>
<p>A puzzle for you though. The news is produced by ITN, *for* ITV. OK, so I&#8217;m perhaps distinguishing two organisations that are joined at the hip, but ITN is the organisation that brings Channel 4 news to our screens. </p>
<p>The Channel 4 news programme is, in my view, the single best television news programme going. Newsnight is a close 2nd, but is frequently just too dreary or antagonistic for my tastes. I find much of BBC1&#8217;s news bulletins painful (All those presenters taking turns to read *one* headline). </p>
<p>C4 have a decent time slot and allocation, top notch presenters (who continue to produce some solid journalism), and an independent sense of purpose. </p>
<p>I fear it&#8217;s the &#8220;target demographic&#8221; problem (or whatever you might call it). The commissioners at ITV are requesting ITN produce a programme that remain &#8217;soft&#8217;, &#8216;engaging&#8217; and &#8216;relevant&#8217;, or similar such, and in doing so are losing sight of the very reason people are watching the news. To be informed in a way that feels authoritative. Sounds like they&#8217;ve missed it badly, and I&#8217;m a bit worried that the great saviour Michael Grade may not be so great, or much of a saviour, if this is what we&#8217;ve got to judge him by.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BBC does it for me too newswise - haven&#039;t watched ITV&#039;s news since it started up again, but the pre-publicity was always going to bump up the ratings to start with at least.

I&#039;m pretty sure they continue to use Sir Trev because he isn&#039;t actually real, and therefore is very cheap despite the supposed hugely inflated pay packet - he gives the impression of being an animatronic puppet with his strange speaking style and jerky head movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BBC does it for me too newswise &#8211; haven&#8217;t watched ITV&#8217;s news since it started up again, but the pre-publicity was always going to bump up the ratings to start with at least.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure they continue to use Sir Trev because he isn&#8217;t actually real, and therefore is very cheap despite the supposed hugely inflated pay packet &#8211; he gives the impression of being an animatronic puppet with his strange speaking style and jerky head movements.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill (Scotland)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill (Scotland)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the vaguest impression that you don&#039;t care for ITV News ;)

(Never watched it before, am unlikely to watch it now)

THat spoof of the BBC effort was amusing though - I must have missed that episode of whatever it was that Armando Ianucci was doing at the time - a very humorous man indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the vaguest impression that you don&#8217;t care for ITV News <img src='http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(Never watched it before, am unlikely to watch it now)</p>
<p>THat spoof of the BBC effort was amusing though &#8211; I must have missed that episode of whatever it was that Armando Ianucci was doing at the time &#8211; a very humorous man indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 01:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I didn&#039;t even realise they resurrected News At Ten. I guess that shows how much I don&#039;t rely on ITV for news. For me the BBC get it just about right with very few gimmicks, as you say. BBC Breakfast is a bit fluffy but I don&#039;t mind that in the morning. ITV just doesn&#039;t do it for me. But I can&#039;t knock a guy who manages to earn £1,633/minute just from reading an auto-cue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#8217;t even realise they resurrected News At Ten. I guess that shows how much I don&#8217;t rely on ITV for news. For me the BBC get it just about right with very few gimmicks, as you say. BBC Breakfast is a bit fluffy but I don&#8217;t mind that in the morning. ITV just doesn&#8217;t do it for me. But I can&#8217;t knock a guy who manages to earn £1,633/minute just from reading an auto-cue.</p>
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