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	<title>Comments on: Why F1 is in such a&#160;mess</title>
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		<title>By: Don Speekingleesh</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-159566</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Speekingleesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't be so quick to believe Mosley when he says he wanted the drivers DSQed too. What he wants the WMSC delivers. And it's not like he's not known for lying through his teeth when it suits him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be so quick to believe Mosley when he says he wanted the drivers DSQed too. What he wants the WMSC delivers. And it&#8217;s not like he&#8217;s not known for lying through his teeth when it suits him.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-149013</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 09:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeezo, what a stooshy - I think this may be an "agree to disagree" scenario!

Personally I called for Hamilton to be penalised - but mainly because I thought it unfair that Vettel was punished for the incident.  Webber was the only totally innocent party, Hamilton in my eyes didn't drive well at all (although he assured us that he "didn't put a foot wrong all weekend") and Vettel was too busy watching Hamilton to see that Webber had almost come to a stop in front of him.

Vettel and Hamilton should have both been fined (an equivalent of a yellow card in football) and that would've been an end to it - everyone would've known who was guilty and what had been done about it.

As for the stewards, haven't they now got a permanent steward who attends all the grand prix to supposedly mete out similar punishments?  Not that he seems to be doing a very good job - but presumably that's why incidents from one race can be investigated at the next, as it's meant to be the same person presiding over all punishments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeezo, what a stooshy - I think this may be an &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; scenario!</p>
<p>Personally I called for Hamilton to be penalised - but mainly because I thought it unfair that Vettel was punished for the incident.  Webber was the only totally innocent party, Hamilton in my eyes didn&#8217;t drive well at all (although he assured us that he &#8220;didn&#8217;t put a foot wrong all weekend&#8221;) and Vettel was too busy watching Hamilton to see that Webber had almost come to a stop in front of him.</p>
<p>Vettel and Hamilton should have both been fined (an equivalent of a yellow card in football) and that would&#8217;ve been an end to it - everyone would&#8217;ve known who was guilty and what had been done about it.</p>
<p>As for the stewards, haven&#8217;t they now got a permanent steward who attends all the grand prix to supposedly mete out similar punishments?  Not that he seems to be doing a very good job - but presumably that&#8217;s why incidents from one race can be investigated at the next, as it&#8217;s meant to be the same person presiding over all punishments.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-148892</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, where have the FIA said involved Vettel, Webber AND Hamilton?

If they haven't then case closed, any assumption it does involve Hamilton is just that - assumption - and conjecture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, where have the FIA said involved Vettel, Webber AND Hamilton?</p>
<p>If they haven&#8217;t then case closed, any assumption it does involve Hamilton is just that - assumption - and conjecture.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-148161</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, you seem to have decided for yourself that it was a racing incident between Vettel and Webber. What if the FIA stewards decided it was a racing incident involving Vettel, Webber and Hamilton?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, you seem to have decided for yourself that it was a racing incident between Vettel and Webber. What if the FIA stewards decided it was a racing incident involving Vettel, Webber and Hamilton?</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147648</link>
		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't think it cuts that much ice.  Where are the limits of competitiveness in F1?  The young guy is just taking it all a bit far perhaps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think it cuts that much ice.  Where are the limits of competitiveness in F1?  The young guy is just taking it all a bit far perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147499</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yes, based on the new evidence. Remember, were it not for the video the stewards would not have discussed this incident at all, so it must have swung them sufficiently to meet in the first place, then to change their mind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
And in what way does that then relate to Hamilton. If it was just a racing incident between Vettel &#38; Webber then what bearing does Hamilton have on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yes, based on the new evidence. Remember, were it not for the video the stewards would not have discussed this incident at all, so it must have swung them sufficiently to meet in the first place, then to change their mind.</p></blockquote>
<p>And in what way does that then relate to Hamilton. If it was just a racing incident between Vettel &amp; Webber then what bearing does Hamilton have on it?</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147404</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 07:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;They realised the penalty was a bad decision and it was actually just a racing incident?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yes, based on the new evidence. Remember, were it not for the video the stewards would not have discussed this incident at all, so it must have swung them sufficiently to meet in the first place, then to change their mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>They realised the penalty was a bad decision and it was actually just a racing incident?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, based on the new evidence. Remember, were it not for the video the stewards would not have discussed this incident at all, so it must have swung them sufficiently to meet in the first place, then to change their mind.</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147306</link>
		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 05:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; Can you think of another reason why they would reverse Vettel’s penalty??&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They realised the penalty was a bad decision and it was actually just a racing incident?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Schumacher was an expert at manipulating the FIA’s preference for Ferrari to his own advantage, whereas Hamilton is just lucky that his arrival in the sport has created such interest that Bernie sees him as indispensible to F1 - at the moment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Which is why I completly fail to understand this general Hamilton hatred, it seems entirely unjustified to me. I'm honestly baffled by it. Granted ITV's fawning coverage of Hamilton cant help if you think he's getting biased media coverage, but thats got nothing to do with him. 

They have to pick someone  and Schuey used to be James Allen's favourite, now he's gone its just lucky coincidence that the racer du jour also happens to be British so the ITV hype machine goes into extra special over drive. Again, hardly Hamilton's fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> Can you think of another reason why they would reverse Vettel’s penalty??</p></blockquote>
<p>They realised the penalty was a bad decision and it was actually just a racing incident?</p>
<blockquote><p>Schumacher was an expert at manipulating the FIA’s preference for Ferrari to his own advantage, whereas Hamilton is just lucky that his arrival in the sport has created such interest that Bernie sees him as indispensible to F1 - at the moment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is why I completly fail to understand this general Hamilton hatred, it seems entirely unjustified to me. I&#8217;m honestly baffled by it. Granted ITV&#8217;s fawning coverage of Hamilton cant help if you think he&#8217;s getting biased media coverage, but thats got nothing to do with him. </p>
<p>They have to pick someone  and Schuey used to be James Allen&#8217;s favourite, now he&#8217;s gone its just lucky coincidence that the racer du jour also happens to be British so the ITV hype machine goes into extra special over drive. Again, hardly Hamilton&#8217;s fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147227</link>
		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 02:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's fairly clear that the FIA is biased towards Hamilton this year.  Bernie's comments reveal where this comes from - the diminutive car salesman himself.  But Max is not part of that - he seems to be motivated purely by hatred of Ron Dennis and his comments after the WMSC meeting prove that he was all in favour of deducting the drivers' points as well as McLaren's.

We need to recognise, however, that Hamilton is not the new Schumacher in that none of this is of his making.  Schumacher was an expert at manipulating the FIA's preference for Ferrari to his own advantage, whereas Hamilton is just lucky that his arrival in the sport has created such interest that Bernie sees him as indispensible to F1 - at the moment.  Things could change very easily; let Hamilton fall out of favour with the media and the public and he will soon find himself as savagely dealt with as any other driver.

As for the fuss about the Vettel penalty/wrist slap and Hamilton's driving behind the pace car - hey, sometimes even a random penalty generator is bound to get it right.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s fairly clear that the FIA is biased towards Hamilton this year.  Bernie&#8217;s comments reveal where this comes from - the diminutive car salesman himself.  But Max is not part of that - he seems to be motivated purely by hatred of Ron Dennis and his comments after the WMSC meeting prove that he was all in favour of deducting the drivers&#8217; points as well as McLaren&#8217;s.</p>
<p>We need to recognise, however, that Hamilton is not the new Schumacher in that none of this is of his making.  Schumacher was an expert at manipulating the FIA&#8217;s preference for Ferrari to his own advantage, whereas Hamilton is just lucky that his arrival in the sport has created such interest that Bernie sees him as indispensible to F1 - at the moment.  Things could change very easily; let Hamilton fall out of favour with the media and the public and he will soon find himself as savagely dealt with as any other driver.</p>
<p>As for the fuss about the Vettel penalty/wrist slap and Hamilton&#8217;s driving behind the pace car - hey, sometimes even a random penalty generator is bound to get it right.  <img src='http://doctorvee.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/10/06/why-f1-is-in-such-a-mess/#comment-147097</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 00:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5 Don't ask me about that, ask the FIA stewards. Can &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; think of another reason why they would reverse Vettel's penalty??

#6 That is just part of Max Mosley's usual chest-beating as part of his personal vendetta against Ron Dennis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 Don&#8217;t ask me about that, ask the FIA stewards. Can <em>you</em> think of another reason why they would reverse Vettel&#8217;s penalty??</p>
<p>#6 That is just part of Max Mosley&#8217;s usual chest-beating as part of his personal vendetta against Ron Dennis.</p>
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