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		<title>By: doctorvee &#187; Why F1 is in such a mess</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/11/is-there-a-witch-hunt-against-mclaren/comment-page-1/#comment-146693</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee &#187; Why F1 is in such a mess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For the second time this year, the stewards have found themselves ruling on something that happened in another race. This week the Chinese GP stewards had to discuss something which had already been discussed by the Japanese stewards. This is not on really. It is like a referee at a football match giving someone a yellow card for something a footballer did in his previous match. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For the second time this year, the stewards have found themselves ruling on something that happened in another race. This week the Chinese GP stewards had to discuss something which had already been discussed by the Japanese stewards. This is not on really. It is like a referee at a football match giving someone a yellow card for something a footballer did in his previous match. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Speekingleesh</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/11/is-there-a-witch-hunt-against-mclaren/comment-page-1/#comment-135011</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Speekingleesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Scott, the rules never said that cars on an out lap must not impede cars on a hot lap. That was a lie created by Mosley to defend the steward&#039;s decision. The rules said cars must not impede each other - but even though Schumacher was running not too far in front of Alonso earlier in the session (right before Alonso had his puncture) it was not enforced then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Scott, the rules never said that cars on an out lap must not impede cars on a hot lap. That was a lie created by Mosley to defend the steward&#8217;s decision. The rules said cars must not impede each other &#8211; but even though Schumacher was running not too far in front of Alonso earlier in the session (right before Alonso had his puncture) it was not enforced then.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee &#187; Is it safe to say something now?</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/11/is-there-a-witch-hunt-against-mclaren/comment-page-1/#comment-133807</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee &#187; Is it safe to say something now?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What the new evidence also reveals is that the Ferrari data was probably not much use to McLaren anyway. The revelations about weight distribution suggest that the Ferrari data was so different to what McLaren was used to that it was deemed useless for their car to the extent that Fernando Alonso doubted the accuracy of the data. It backs up what I said in my previous post on this subject &#8212; that it would be like putting together pieces from two different jigsaws. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What the new evidence also reveals is that the Ferrari data was probably not much use to McLaren anyway. The revelations about weight distribution suggest that the Ferrari data was so different to what McLaren was used to that it was deemed useless for their car to the extent that Fernando Alonso doubted the accuracy of the data. It backs up what I said in my previous post on this subject &#8212; that it would be like putting together pieces from two different jigsaws. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: peterg</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/11/is-there-a-witch-hunt-against-mclaren/comment-page-1/#comment-132334</link>
		<dc:creator>peterg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer your headline question; &quot;Is there witch hunt against MM?&quot; Yes.

What should be a fair and transparent investigation does appear to be a vindictive hunt. Max&#039;s overturn of the WMSC was pretty tacky.

Is MM completely innocent or is Coughlan on his own - through Stepney - the sole villain in the saga. Thursday will tell. Regardless, the entire matter has been appallingly handled by the FIA, hence your question about it being a witch hunt, because for many that is what it appears to be. Similarly, Ferrari have milked this for all they can get, when the initial WMSC decision was not to their liking they ramped it up to a new level. They are still threatening taking to take the matter to the civil courts.

On the other side of the coin, can you imagine the way Ron would be carrying on if the documents had gone the other way &amp; were found in the possession of a Ferrari employee?

 The only real loser in this is F1 &amp; it’s image, &amp; the fact that Max seems ignorant of this only makes me suspicious of him relishing the chance rubbing Ron’s face in the s**t. Thursday can’t come soon enough for me as I would like to see the entire thing resolved………………….I’ll bet I’m to be disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer your headline question; &#8220;Is there witch hunt against MM?&#8221; Yes.</p>
<p>What should be a fair and transparent investigation does appear to be a vindictive hunt. Max&#8217;s overturn of the WMSC was pretty tacky.</p>
<p>Is MM completely innocent or is Coughlan on his own &#8211; through Stepney &#8211; the sole villain in the saga. Thursday will tell. Regardless, the entire matter has been appallingly handled by the FIA, hence your question about it being a witch hunt, because for many that is what it appears to be. Similarly, Ferrari have milked this for all they can get, when the initial WMSC decision was not to their liking they ramped it up to a new level. They are still threatening taking to take the matter to the civil courts.</p>
<p>On the other side of the coin, can you imagine the way Ron would be carrying on if the documents had gone the other way &amp; were found in the possession of a Ferrari employee?</p>
<p> The only real loser in this is F1 &amp; it’s image, &amp; the fact that Max seems ignorant of this only makes me suspicious of him relishing the chance rubbing Ron’s face in the s**t. Thursday can’t come soon enough for me as I would like to see the entire thing resolved………………….I’ll bet I’m to be disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/11/is-there-a-witch-hunt-against-mclaren/comment-page-1/#comment-132163</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the media are making a big issue of it, but looking at each point individually it&#039;s very complex. As you yourself have commented, there&#039;s a fair shout that the issue in Hungary kicked off because Hamilton complained to the stewards. Now I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s fact, but no other team had any beef with it, but if Lewis had complained the stewards have to look at it.

As for Monza, well in my opinion the video you posted shows the stewards were correct - Massa is very close to Alonso in many sections, especially Parabolica where he will surely suffer from dirty air off the McLaren, robbing him of front grip - what did Alonso think was going to happen? Sure, he had to get round to start his lap, but that&#039;s Alonso&#039;s fault for going late, and Massa shouldn&#039;t suffer for that. The rules are (were) black and white, that anyone on an out lap must not impede anyone on a hot lap.

If anything I think the FIA agreed with Renault, as they later changed the rules to stop the stewards having any say in future such incidents. But the rules being what they were and Alonso placing himself as he did, I don&#039;t see there was much choice.

As to the Stepney issue, Ron Dennis himself may be whiter than white, and wish the team to be so also, but it seems not to be the case for everyone - plenty of smoke at present, if not yet any fire.

In any case, as a sport that lives or dies on advertising revenue and public interest, it&#039;s getting plenty now - racing, infighting and politics. Seems the perfect PR mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the media are making a big issue of it, but looking at each point individually it&#8217;s very complex. As you yourself have commented, there&#8217;s a fair shout that the issue in Hungary kicked off because Hamilton complained to the stewards. Now I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s fact, but no other team had any beef with it, but if Lewis had complained the stewards have to look at it.</p>
<p>As for Monza, well in my opinion the video you posted shows the stewards were correct &#8211; Massa is very close to Alonso in many sections, especially Parabolica where he will surely suffer from dirty air off the McLaren, robbing him of front grip &#8211; what did Alonso think was going to happen? Sure, he had to get round to start his lap, but that&#8217;s Alonso&#8217;s fault for going late, and Massa shouldn&#8217;t suffer for that. The rules are (were) black and white, that anyone on an out lap must not impede anyone on a hot lap.</p>
<p>If anything I think the FIA agreed with Renault, as they later changed the rules to stop the stewards having any say in future such incidents. But the rules being what they were and Alonso placing himself as he did, I don&#8217;t see there was much choice.</p>
<p>As to the Stepney issue, Ron Dennis himself may be whiter than white, and wish the team to be so also, but it seems not to be the case for everyone &#8211; plenty of smoke at present, if not yet any fire.</p>
<p>In any case, as a sport that lives or dies on advertising revenue and public interest, it&#8217;s getting plenty now &#8211; racing, infighting and politics. Seems the perfect PR mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Ollie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ollie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that made me laugh this week was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62231&quot;&gt;Jean Todt exclaiming how damaging this whole saga is&lt;/a&gt; to Formula One (and therefore his team, indirectly), but he still wants to press ahead and will not stop until he gets his own way. It wasn&#039;t put exactly like that, but the words he uttered certainly hinted that.

The Monaco incident with team orders was ridiculous. The gearbox issue appeared to be backtracking on the FIAs behalf. The only &#039;crime&#039; that McLaren are guilty of (as far as I can currently see) is not managing their drivers well (as a team, I mean) and not managing their staff well (Mike Coughlan, who apparently accepted the documents). That said, Ferrari are guilty of the same crime if it transpires that Nigel Stepney did indeed leak confidential information to another teams employee.

As I understand it now, Fernando Alonso is in the clear as he has cooperated with the FIA. The letter does say that there will be no proceedings against a driver should he assist the FIA with this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that made me laugh this week was <a href="http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62231">Jean Todt exclaiming how damaging this whole saga is</a> to Formula One (and therefore his team, indirectly), but he still wants to press ahead and will not stop until he gets his own way. It wasn&#8217;t put exactly like that, but the words he uttered certainly hinted that.</p>
<p>The Monaco incident with team orders was ridiculous. The gearbox issue appeared to be backtracking on the FIAs behalf. The only &#8216;crime&#8217; that McLaren are guilty of (as far as I can currently see) is not managing their drivers well (as a team, I mean) and not managing their staff well (Mike Coughlan, who apparently accepted the documents). That said, Ferrari are guilty of the same crime if it transpires that Nigel Stepney did indeed leak confidential information to another teams employee.</p>
<p>As I understand it now, Fernando Alonso is in the clear as he has cooperated with the FIA. The letter does say that there will be no proceedings against a driver should he assist the FIA with this.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well summed up, as usual.

Taking each point on it&#039;s own merit then it would appear that McLaren aren&#039;t being picked on as such.  I personally think they got off lightly in the last FIA hearing by having no punishment levied against them, and I think they were right to be punished for running the new gearbox without having it crash tested first - and a fine seems a pretty fair way of punishing that crime, although they weren&#039;t necessarily punished by the correct authority.

The team orders thing was a total nonsense though, and I would agree with anyone who suggested that had it been any other team then they wouldn&#039;t have been brought to task by the FIA over what happened.

Thursday will be interesting - as you say, even though the supposed contents of these e-mails was made up it doesn&#039;t mean that the real content will be any better for Ron Dennis &amp; Co.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well summed up, as usual.</p>
<p>Taking each point on it&#8217;s own merit then it would appear that McLaren aren&#8217;t being picked on as such.  I personally think they got off lightly in the last FIA hearing by having no punishment levied against them, and I think they were right to be punished for running the new gearbox without having it crash tested first &#8211; and a fine seems a pretty fair way of punishing that crime, although they weren&#8217;t necessarily punished by the correct authority.</p>
<p>The team orders thing was a total nonsense though, and I would agree with anyone who suggested that had it been any other team then they wouldn&#8217;t have been brought to task by the FIA over what happened.</p>
<p>Thursday will be interesting &#8211; as you say, even though the supposed contents of these e-mails was made up it doesn&#8217;t mean that the real content will be any better for Ron Dennis &amp; Co.</p>
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