Comments on: How do you get a new government without there being an election? http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/ Not a real vee Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:10:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jack stephen http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129923 jack stephen Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:53:16 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129923 >Don’t know about executive being an American word. My point about Executive being American is that they always used to make great play that the three branches of state - Legislature, Executive and Judiciary - ought to be separate. In Britain they have been blurred together - witness the Lord Chancellor being a member of cabinet - and as a consequence no-one ever referred to the UK/British Executive. Hence Scottish Executive always sounded very strange to me. >Don’t know about executive being an American word.

My point about Executive being American is that they always used to make great play that the three branches of state – Legislature, Executive and Judiciary – ought to be separate. In Britain they have been blurred together – witness the Lord Chancellor being a member of cabinet – and as a consequence no-one ever referred to the UK/British Executive. Hence Scottish Executive always sounded very strange to me.

]]> By: Toxic http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129826 Toxic Wed, 05 Sep 2007 11:52:54 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129826 Funny how such a two bit stunt seems to have taken people by surprise. Did people really expect more than this? Funny how such a two bit stunt seems to have taken people by surprise. Did people really expect more than this?

]]> By: Matt Wardman http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129532 Matt Wardman Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:52:33 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129532 Jack Stephen: >Executive in the governmental sense is more of an American usage anyway. Specious nonsense, Jack. It is a Scottish usage since it is in the devolution law. If you (or the SNP) didn't like it, the time to argue was when the law was up for debate. Alex Salmond has been in the House of Commons for the last 20 years. Can you show me in Hansard where he proposed the name "The Scottish Government" instead of "The Scottish Executive". If you can, I will modify my view. In the meantime I regard this as a stunt designed to win by manipulation what they did not win by democratic process. And I regard Alex Salmond as a much smaller man than he was last week. Jack Stephen:
>Executive in the governmental sense is more of an American usage anyway.

Specious nonsense, Jack.

It is a Scottish usage since it is in the devolution law. If you (or the SNP) didn’t like it, the time to argue was when the law was up for debate.

Alex Salmond has been in the House of Commons for the last 20 years.

Can you show me in Hansard where he proposed the name “The Scottish Government” instead of “The Scottish Executive”.

If you can, I will modify my view.

In the meantime I regard this as a stunt designed to win by manipulation what they did not win by democratic process. And I regard Alex Salmond as a much smaller man than he was last week.

]]> By: doctorvee http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129509 doctorvee Tue, 04 Sep 2007 21:28:09 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129509 The concept of "local government" is quite different to naming yourself The Scottish Government though. I don't think anyone is suggesting that the Scottish Executive was not a branch of government. It was / is. But to call it <em>The</em> Government? What if a local government authorities was to call itself, say, Fife Government? Everybody would be up in arms! Don't know about executive being an American word. I've never heard that before, and <a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=executive">the Online Etymology Dictionary makes no mention of it</a>. But the as a term of business, it <em>is</em> of American origin! The concept of “local government” is quite different to naming yourself The Scottish Government though. I don’t think anyone is suggesting that the Scottish Executive was not a branch of government. It was / is.

But to call it The Government? What if a local government authorities was to call itself, say, Fife Government? Everybody would be up in arms!

Don’t know about executive being an American word. I’ve never heard that before, and the Online Etymology Dictionary makes no mention of it. But the as a term of business, it is of American origin!

]]> By: jack stephen http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129438 jack stephen Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:08:56 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129438 I don't recall people being confused about the difference between local government and Westminster government so can't see that calling something the Scottish government would add any confusion. Executive in the governmental sense is more of an American usage anyway. No-one talks of the Westminster Executive so why was the Scottish administration so called in the first place? Executive also made it sound like a business thing rather than an administration. I don’t recall people being confused about the difference between local government and Westminster government so can’t see that calling something the Scottish government would add any confusion.
Executive in the governmental sense is more of an American usage anyway. No-one talks of the Westminster Executive so why was the Scottish administration so called in the first place?
Executive also made it sound like a business thing rather than an administration.

]]> By: Matt Wardman http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129404 Matt Wardman Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:13:15 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129404 Bearing in mind that "Scottish Government" is purely a (non-legally protected) marketing term being used by the Scottish Executive, I am establishing a new Scottish Government in the East Midlands. I would welcome applications for Ministerial positions. See the link on my name for details. Bearing in mind that “Scottish Government” is purely a (non-legally protected) marketing term being used by the Scottish Executive, I am establishing a new Scottish Government in the East Midlands.

I would welcome applications for Ministerial positions.

See the link on my name for details.

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]]> By: Bellgrovebelle http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/comment-page-1/#comment-129030 Bellgrovebelle Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:26:03 +0000 http://doctorvee.co.uk/2007/09/03/how-do-you-get-a-new-government-without-there-being-an-election/#comment-129030 I wouldn't consider what I said wrote any kind of a secret! ;-) I wouldn’t consider what I said wrote any kind of a secret! ;-)

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