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		<title>By: doctorvee &#187; The utter cretin&#8217;s guide to privacy on Facebook</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17533</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee &#187; The utter cretin&#8217;s guide to privacy on Facebook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Sep 2006 01:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But the new features were massively unpopular, with many users howling that their privacy was being invaded and that the new features were too &#8220;stalker-esque&#8221;. But the privacy settings hadn&#8217;t changed &#8212; all of the information could be hidden from everybody but your friends if you wished. What kind of person adds stalkers to their friends list? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But the new features were massively unpopular, with many users howling that their privacy was being invaded and that the new features were too &#8220;stalker-esque&#8221;. But the privacy settings hadn&#8217;t changed &#8212; all of the information could be hidden from everybody but your friends if you wished. What kind of person adds stalkers to their friends list? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17525</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Canâ€™t use facebook, ergo canâ€™t compare, but, well, sounds daft tâ€™me, if you donâ€™t want people to know stuff about you online, donâ€™t do it with an account attached to your namem seems easy enough to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While that is good advice, Mat, that&#039;s not even really the problem here. It&#039;s not as if this is information that is publicly available to any old person. You can choose to have your Facebook profile visible to friends only. Those settings did not change when mini-feed and news feed were introduced.

To me, this is the most exasperating thing about this whole hoo-ha. If you were worried about private information getting into the wrong hands, why on earth would you add said wrong hands to your friends list?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Canâ€™t use facebook, ergo canâ€™t compare, but, well, sounds daft tâ€™me, if you donâ€™t want people to know stuff about you online, donâ€™t do it with an account attached to your namem seems easy enough to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>While that is good advice, Mat, that&#8217;s not even really the problem here. It&#8217;s not as if this is information that is publicly available to any old person. You can choose to have your Facebook profile visible to friends only. Those settings did not change when mini-feed and news feed were introduced.</p>
<p>To me, this is the most exasperating thing about this whole hoo-ha. If you were worried about private information getting into the wrong hands, why on earth would you add said wrong hands to your friends list?!</p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17523</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 22:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, I knew nothing about it until it got mentioned in the LJ news post, and to read that, you&#039;d think it was teh eveel.

Then again, apparently the new tracking system on LJ, which is completely innocuous and dead useful for chatty journals, is a gross abuse that encourages stalking, according to some deluded reactions.  One of them thinks it&#039;s akin to Orwell FFS.

Can&#039;t use facebook, ergo can&#039;t compare, but, well, sounds daft t&#039;me, if you don&#039;t want people to know stuff about you online, don&#039;t do it with an account attached to your namem seems easy enough to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, I knew nothing about it until it got mentioned in the LJ news post, and to read that, you&#8217;d think it was teh eveel.</p>
<p>Then again, apparently the new tracking system on LJ, which is completely innocuous and dead useful for chatty journals, is a gross abuse that encourages stalking, according to some deluded reactions.  One of them thinks it&#8217;s akin to Orwell FFS.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t use facebook, ergo can&#8217;t compare, but, well, sounds daft t&#8217;me, if you don&#8217;t want people to know stuff about you online, don&#8217;t do it with an account attached to your namem seems easy enough to me.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17520</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 21:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As if anything somebody anybody writes on Facebook is a state secret! If it is, they shouldn&#039;t be writing it on Facebook. If people think they had privacy on Facebook they are simply wrong. As I said before, the same data is available to the same people. If you post a flirty message on Facebook you are really asking for it to be seen. If you want something to be private your best bet is to use email.

Facebook shouldn&#039;t have expected that revolt. It is, after all, designed to be a &lt;em&gt;social&lt;/em&gt; network -- yet its users have shown themselves to be massively &lt;em&gt;anti-social&lt;/em&gt; by asking for privacy from their so-called &quot;friends&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As if anything somebody anybody writes on Facebook is a state secret! If it is, they shouldn&#8217;t be writing it on Facebook. If people think they had privacy on Facebook they are simply wrong. As I said before, the same data is available to the same people. If you post a flirty message on Facebook you are really asking for it to be seen. If you want something to be private your best bet is to use email.</p>
<p>Facebook shouldn&#8217;t have expected that revolt. It is, after all, designed to be a <em>social</em> network &#8212; yet its users have shown themselves to be massively <em>anti-social</em> by asking for privacy from their so-called &#8220;friends&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17502</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not particularly bothered by the new Facebook features, but your protestations are just plain wrong. Individual pieces of data brought together often results in a &quot;greater than the sum of its parts&quot; effect. 

To choose a quick example, I might know that you have a dog. I might also know that you are looking for a vet. If I know both these things, then I also know that your dog is probably ill.

To go for something more Facebook oriented, I might have just broken up with my girlfriend. I might also have just posted a kinda flirty message on someone else&#039;s message board soon after. If you know both these things, you might reasonably infer that I fancy this other person, or even that I broke up with my gf to pursue this other person.

Bringing data together creates new data. Sure it was possible to do this data-merging by hand, but that&#039;s done on an individual basis, rather than a broadcast basis. Additionally, these data links might have got lost in the overall torrent of other data in the system. Example: there&#039;s a difference between me meeting a friend in a park, for example, where other people *might* see me, and the details of that meeting being sent via email to all of my friends.

It&#039;s this new data, that was previously private (or at least relatively private) that is what is so objectionable. Bringing the data together with the news feed is an active act of creating the data and so is an active act of privacy invasion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not particularly bothered by the new Facebook features, but your protestations are just plain wrong. Individual pieces of data brought together often results in a &#8220;greater than the sum of its parts&#8221; effect. </p>
<p>To choose a quick example, I might know that you have a dog. I might also know that you are looking for a vet. If I know both these things, then I also know that your dog is probably ill.</p>
<p>To go for something more Facebook oriented, I might have just broken up with my girlfriend. I might also have just posted a kinda flirty message on someone else&#8217;s message board soon after. If you know both these things, you might reasonably infer that I fancy this other person, or even that I broke up with my gf to pursue this other person.</p>
<p>Bringing data together creates new data. Sure it was possible to do this data-merging by hand, but that&#8217;s done on an individual basis, rather than a broadcast basis. Additionally, these data links might have got lost in the overall torrent of other data in the system. Example: there&#8217;s a difference between me meeting a friend in a park, for example, where other people *might* see me, and the details of that meeting being sent via email to all of my friends.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s this new data, that was previously private (or at least relatively private) that is what is so objectionable. Bringing the data together with the news feed is an active act of creating the data and so is an active act of privacy invasion.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee &#187; Top secret: do not read</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17326</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee &#187; Top secret: do not read</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is kind of related to my Facebook post below. Google results for Confidential â€œdo not distributeâ€. Hint: If you want something to be kept private, don&#8217;t put it on the internet. And especially don&#8217;t flag up confidential information so obviously! (Via.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is kind of related to my Facebook post below. Google results for Confidential â€œdo not distributeâ€. Hint: If you want something to be kept private, don&#8217;t put it on the internet. And especially don&#8217;t flag up confidential information so obviously! (Via.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/09/06/facebook-fuss-has-an-easy-solution/comment-page-1/#comment-17322</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the new display. The reason facebook exists is for internet stalking (possibly also the best use for Google, too) and now they&#039;ve made it even easier. As a professional internet stalker I think it&#039;s brilliant, if sometimes a little tedious - &quot;someone you vaguely know through a tutorial has added someone you don&#039;t know to their friends&quot; - well, hurrah for them!

I hope it&#039;s not changed, because I think the new main page perfectly encapsulates what a social site is about - keeping in contact with your, well, contacts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the new display. The reason facebook exists is for internet stalking (possibly also the best use for Google, too) and now they&#8217;ve made it even easier. As a professional internet stalker I think it&#8217;s brilliant, if sometimes a little tedious &#8211; &#8220;someone you vaguely know through a tutorial has added someone you don&#8217;t know to their friends&#8221; &#8211; well, hurrah for them!</p>
<p>I hope it&#8217;s not changed, because I think the new main page perfectly encapsulates what a social site is about &#8211; keeping in contact with your, well, contacts!</p>
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