Comments on: A black day for F1? I think not http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/ Not a real vee Mon, 23 Jan 2012 06:47:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Formula One news, comment and analysis from F1Fanatic » Blog Archive » Schu-spin: The final word(s) http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-12381 Formula One news, comment and analysis from F1Fanatic » Blog Archive » Schu-spin: The final word(s) Tue, 30 May 2006 22:01:13 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-12381 [...] Doctorvee - A black day for F1? I think not [...] [...] Doctorvee – A black day for F1? I think not [...]

]]> By: Pete http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-12139 Pete Mon, 29 May 2006 06:31:59 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-12139 I agree with you sentiments, a flawed genius who has behaved like this in the past. However, I don't recall calls for Senna's retirement after the Prost/Ferrari/Suzuka incident, a deliberate crash to "win" a championship. Flav crying foul is a little too rich, in 94/95 he was the loudest defender of MS. I get the feeling that Jacques venom is from the frustration of knowing that he shot himself in the foot with his own F1 career decisions. IMHO, unlike the Senna personality cult that can see no evil, MS's legacy wil be tarnished in the public mind. Not from this one incident, but as part of a pattern. Pity, he really never had to pull these stunts considering his undoubted talent behind the wheel. I should admit more than a little bias in my thoughts, I have never forgiven him for Spain 97, & to be fair, the pathetic penalty awarded by the FIA. I agree with you sentiments, a flawed genius who has behaved like this in the past. However, I don’t recall calls for Senna’s retirement after the Prost/Ferrari/Suzuka incident, a deliberate crash to “win” a championship.

Flav crying foul is a little too rich, in 94/95 he was the loudest defender of MS. I get the feeling that Jacques venom is from the frustration of knowing that he shot himself in the foot with his own F1 career decisions.

IMHO, unlike the Senna personality cult that can see no evil, MS’s legacy wil be tarnished in the public mind. Not from this one incident, but as part of a pattern. Pity, he really never had to pull these stunts considering his undoubted talent behind the wheel.

I should admit more than a little bias in my thoughts, I have never forgiven him for Spain 97, & to be fair, the pathetic penalty awarded by the FIA.

]]> By: Don Speekingleesh http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11880 Don Speekingleesh Sun, 28 May 2006 16:28:33 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11880 1. It wasn't Ferrari cheating, but MSC. And as I think it was a spur of the moment decision he didn't have time to make it look like a proper accident. 2. That was his guilty face. See Austria 02. If he'd made a mistake he should've had the manners to apologise to all the drivers whose laps he spoiled. (he's has done so since, but only after seeing the reaction of everyone involved in the sport.) 3. It's perfectly possible to win without bending the rules. As MSC has done many, many times. Add Arg 98, Canada 98, Austria 2000, Silverstone 2003, Turkey 2005 to the list of questionable incidents. And that's just off the top of my head. 4. Such is not the life of an F1 driver. It's the life of 2 drivers. It wasn't acceptable when Senna did it, and it's not acceptable when MSC did it. Many people won't consider Senna as the greatest because of his actions. Same for MSC. 5. People are against him because he is a poor role model for the sport. The drivers get frustrated that when they catch up MSC will cheat to stay ahead, and he usually gets away with it. 6. He will be remembered as one of the best. No question, and he deserves to be. But the best? Nope. Imense talent, zero sportsmanship. 1. It wasn’t Ferrari cheating, but MSC. And as I think it was a spur of the moment decision he didn’t have time to make it look like a proper accident.
2. That was his guilty face. See Austria 02. If he’d made a mistake he should’ve had the manners to apologise to all the drivers whose laps he spoiled. (he’s has done so since, but only after seeing the reaction of everyone involved in the sport.)
3. It’s perfectly possible to win without bending the rules. As MSC has done many, many times. Add Arg 98, Canada 98, Austria 2000, Silverstone 2003, Turkey 2005 to the list of questionable incidents. And that’s just off the top of my head.
4. Such is not the life of an F1 driver. It’s the life of 2 drivers. It wasn’t acceptable when Senna did it, and it’s not acceptable when MSC did it. Many people won’t consider Senna as the greatest because of his actions. Same for MSC.
5. People are against him because he is a poor role model for the sport. The drivers get frustrated that when they catch up MSC will cheat to stay ahead, and he usually gets away with it.
6. He will be remembered as one of the best. No question, and he deserves to be. But the best? Nope. Imense talent, zero sportsmanship.

]]> By: doctorvee http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11842 doctorvee Sun, 28 May 2006 15:08:59 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11842 <strong>2006 Monaco Grand Prix...</strong> Well, that turned out to be not a bad race! Yesterday’s Schumacher incident provided an interesting talking point to frame the race in, and the race did threaten to become a procession at one point. In a way, it still was a procession, as Alonso ... 2006 Monaco Grand Prix…

Well, that turned out to be not a bad race! Yesterday’s Schumacher incident provided an interesting talking point to frame the race in, and the race did threaten to become a procession at one point.
In a way, it still was a procession, as Alonso …

]]> By: nostrada http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11755 nostrada Sun, 28 May 2006 11:41:38 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11755 Just a few comments: 1. If they wanted to cheat, Ferrari would have done it better. Crash the nose of the car and no one can argue that it wasn't an accident, you can change it and you have no problem. 2. Schumi was sheepish because he knew he made a stupid mistake and was ashamed. 3. Austria 2002, Indianapolis 2002 and even Silverstone 1998 are not instances of cheating - they were within the rules. Remember, you have to do everything that the rules allow you to. Saying that it was against the spirit of the sport is naive (at least) - this is a business, and it's not all up to him. There's a corporation that needs to make money out of this. Coulthard let Mika Hakkinen pass him at Adeilaide, and J. Villeneuve let both of them pass him at Jerez 1997, after they held up Schumi so that they could win. No one seems to care about that. 4. He tried to take out Hill and J.V. but such is the life of a F1 driver. Senna took out a lot of pilots and no one cares. Montoya made a lot of questionable moves and again, no one cares. 5. Everybody is against him because he is the best. Simply the best. They envy him, wish they were him and are frustrated that, whatever they do, they can't catch up. Simple. The drivers suffer from a severe case of God complex, and as such can't live with the idea that someone is better than them. 6. Don't worry about his legacy, he'll forever be remembered one of the best, if not the best, ever. The incidents mentioned above will be seen as prove of his intensity and desire to win - and as such they should be seen. Just a few comments:
1. If they wanted to cheat, Ferrari would have done it better. Crash the nose of the car and no one can argue that it wasn’t an accident, you can change it and you have no problem.
2. Schumi was sheepish because he knew he made a stupid mistake and was ashamed.
3. Austria 2002, Indianapolis 2002 and even Silverstone 1998 are not instances of cheating – they were within the rules. Remember, you have to do everything that the rules allow you to. Saying that it was against the spirit of the sport is naive (at least) – this is a business, and it’s not all up to him. There’s a corporation that needs to make money out of this. Coulthard let Mika Hakkinen pass him at Adeilaide, and J. Villeneuve let both of them pass him at Jerez 1997, after they held up Schumi so that they could win. No one seems to care about that.
4. He tried to take out Hill and J.V. but such is the life of a F1 driver. Senna took out a lot of pilots and no one cares. Montoya made a lot of questionable moves and again, no one cares.
5. Everybody is against him because he is the best. Simply the best. They envy him, wish they were him and are frustrated that, whatever they do, they can’t catch up. Simple. The drivers suffer from a severe case of God complex, and as such can’t live with the idea that someone is better than them.
6. Don’t worry about his legacy, he’ll forever be remembered one of the best, if not the best, ever. The incidents mentioned above will be seen as prove of his intensity and desire to win – and as such they should be seen.

]]> By: Coffee Lover http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11754 Coffee Lover Sun, 28 May 2006 11:39:18 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11754 Spot on mate, that's exactly what I was thinking. As soon as the yellows went out, I thought, that's Schumacher cheating. At least it proves the stewards aren't afraid to make tough decisions now. Spot on mate, that’s exactly what I was thinking. As soon as the yellows went out, I thought, that’s Schumacher cheating.

At least it proves the stewards aren’t afraid to make tough decisions now.

]]> By: Keith http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11676 Keith Sun, 28 May 2006 08:34:16 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11676 I thought it was odd, too. I mean, it's not Indy '05 is it? Also, they were suggesting that Ferrari would appeal which, in the terms of the article Schumacher was prosecuted under, they cannot do. I liked their piece bigging up Webber and Coulthard though - they both did a bang-up job out of the limelight. I thought it was odd, too. I mean, it’s not Indy ’05 is it? Also, they were suggesting that Ferrari would appeal which, in the terms of the article Schumacher was prosecuted under, they cannot do.

I liked their piece bigging up Webber and Coulthard though – they both did a bang-up job out of the limelight.

]]> By: Don Speekingleesh http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-11444 Don Speekingleesh Sun, 28 May 2006 00:51:15 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-11444 That the abbreviated list of MSC transgressions!? I'm kinda surprised at Pitpass. But from reading (and posting on) their forums it's clear that they're pro-MSC. It's disappointing that Chris'd write an article that appears to only complain about the verdict and punishment, and not the crime they were issued for. And that is my reading of the article - that the problem is with the stewards. Which is something I absolutely disagree with. Yes, they took a long time to reach a decision, but it was very much the right one. That the abbreviated list of MSC transgressions!?
I’m kinda surprised at Pitpass. But from reading (and posting on) their forums it’s clear that they’re pro-MSC. It’s disappointing that Chris’d write an article that appears to only complain about the verdict and punishment, and not the crime they were issued for. And that is my reading of the article – that the problem is with the stewards. Which is something I absolutely disagree with. Yes, they took a long time to reach a decision, but it was very much the right one.

]]> By: Formula One news, comment and analysis from F1Fanatic http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-12313 Formula One news, comment and analysis from F1Fanatic Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-12313 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Bullish Coulthard back on podium They say “David Coulthard brought some welcome humour on a dark weekend for Formula One.” We say A dark weekend for Formula One, or a dark weekend for Michael Schumacher?Another blog had some thoughts on this. Verdict [IMG] read article [IMG thesun] Headline Schu Fury: Angry Michael says sorry but hits out in cheat storm Coult’s a kit of all right They say “Finland<!--%kramer-post%--> Bullish Coulthard back on podium They say “David Coulthard brought some welcome humour on a dark weekend for Formula One.” We say A dark weekend for Formula One, or a dark weekend for Michael Schumacher?Another blog had some thoughts on this. Verdict [IMG] read article [IMG thesun] Headline Schu Fury: Angry Michael says sorry but hits out in cheat storm Coult’s a kit of all right They say “Finland

]]> By: F1 Tracker for news! http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/comment-page-1/#comment-12542 F1 Tracker for news! Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.doctorvee.co.uk/2006/05/28/a-dark-day-for-f1-i-think-not/#comment-12542 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Tommy Chang - Michael Schumacher: 7 Times World Champion and Cheater Formula 1 and Football - Schumi got what he deserved Sevenapril - An embarassing display The Garage - “He stopped on the track! What’s wrong with that?”Doctorvee - A black day for F1? I think not Famous last words of Marius - Did he cheat or did he not? Noel’s personal space - Monaco Grand Prix Short-sighted Sid - Is this racing at its finest? ‘Neutral’ FerrariWorld Felipe Massa blog<!--%kramer-post%--> Tommy Chang – Michael Schumacher: 7 Times World Champion and Cheater Formula 1 and Football – Schumi got what he deserved Sevenapril – An embarassing display The Garage – “He stopped on the track! What’s wrong with that?”Doctorvee – A black day for F1? I think not Famous last words of Marius – Did he cheat or did he not? Noel’s personal space – Monaco Grand Prix Short-sighted Sid – Is this racing at its finest? ‘Neutral’ FerrariWorld Felipe Massa blog

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