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	<title>Comments on: Big Brother viewers are the REAL clever ones</title>
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		<title>By: rs_azzuri</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/01/11/big-brother-viewers-are-the-real-clever-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-8686</link>
		<dc:creator>rs_azzuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an absolute joke that Big Brother is more popular than &#039;politics&#039; - whatever politics is these days. Then again, when all of the &#039;Big Three&#039; political parties in the UK are centralist and it doesn&#039;t really matter who you vote for, why the hell wouldn&#039;t it create apathy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an absolute joke that Big Brother is more popular than &#8216;politics&#8217; &#8211; whatever politics is these days. Then again, when all of the &#8216;Big Three&#8217; political parties in the UK are centralist and it doesn&#8217;t really matter who you vote for, why the hell wouldn&#8217;t it create apathy?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/01/11/big-brother-viewers-are-the-real-clever-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-8667</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel dirty rather than smart...</description>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 22:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes you smarter than the rest of us.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/01/11/big-brother-viewers-are-the-real-clever-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-8665</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2006 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Big Brother... THERE, I&#039;VE SAID IT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Big Brother&#8230; THERE, I&#8217;VE SAID IT!</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/01/11/big-brother-viewers-are-the-real-clever-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-8655</link>
		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, I agree with you mostly. Although I think, &quot;Sir, I salute your strength, your courage, and your indefatigability,&quot; is a bit of a silly thing to say to a murderous dictator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, I agree with you mostly. Although I think, &#8220;Sir, I salute your strength, your courage, and your indefatigability,&#8221; is a bit of a silly thing to say to a murderous dictator.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderMonkey</title>
		<link>http://doctorvee.co.uk/2006/01/11/big-brother-viewers-are-the-real-clever-ones/comment-page-1/#comment-8653</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 22:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I wasn&#039;t clearer - by &quot;it&quot; in that paragraph, I meant politics as an object, and the &#039;purchase&#039; as the act of voting at an election time.

As for Galloway, I hadn&#039;t realised he was being quite *that* bad in the house. But then I haven&#039;t been watching the series - I just occasionally check out a tabloid website to see what cultural memes are being spread about from it. I can&#039;t help but get the feeling that the editorial theme for this series is &quot;aren&#039;t celebrities fucking strange&quot;, so he&#039;ll probably come off that way whether he wants to or not.

So BB aside (since as I say, I&#039;m not really qualified to say much more on it), I would agree that there is a lot awful to be said about him. While I take your points, I can&#039;t help but feel that people are more strongly motivated to dig up the dirt on people whose politics they disagree with, so it&#039;s hard to totally condemn his conduct as shameful in comparison to others. 

(A quick example that may or may not hold up: Why don&#039;t people bitch at Boris Johnson just as loudly for putting money before politics? I&#039;m sure someone could dig through his Spectator editorship vs his voting record and find one or two discrepancies.)

Lastly, on the subject of Rumsfeld/Hussein/etc, I don&#039;t make that point because I see it as two wrongs making a right. Rumsfeld&#039;s trip to Iraq pulls the blanket off the shitty, ugly reality of world politics - that &quot;this person/country is good&quot; and &quot;this person/country is evil&quot; are relativisms wielded by politicians to keep the rest of us in line with where they want to take their policies - they are lies.
By contrast, I comprehend (though perhaps I am false in this) Galloway&#039;s trip as an effort to go and understand the perspective of our enemy. One of the great truths of our current political circumstances is that we have gotten ourselves repeatedly into trouble by deciding we know what our enemies think and then acting according to that. If we put more effort into figuring out the thinking of our enemies, rather than just assuming we know, then we would be able to come up with more intelligent ways of countering them.
Understood in those terms, Galloway&#039;s trip is far more honourable than Rumsfeld&#039;s trip, but yet he is always the one to get shit flinged at him for it.

This comment is already stupidly long, so I&#039;ll stop there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I wasn&#8217;t clearer &#8211; by &#8220;it&#8221; in that paragraph, I meant politics as an object, and the &#8216;purchase&#8217; as the act of voting at an election time.</p>
<p>As for Galloway, I hadn&#8217;t realised he was being quite *that* bad in the house. But then I haven&#8217;t been watching the series &#8211; I just occasionally check out a tabloid website to see what cultural memes are being spread about from it. I can&#8217;t help but get the feeling that the editorial theme for this series is &#8220;aren&#8217;t celebrities fucking strange&#8221;, so he&#8217;ll probably come off that way whether he wants to or not.</p>
<p>So BB aside (since as I say, I&#8217;m not really qualified to say much more on it), I would agree that there is a lot awful to be said about him. While I take your points, I can&#8217;t help but feel that people are more strongly motivated to dig up the dirt on people whose politics they disagree with, so it&#8217;s hard to totally condemn his conduct as shameful in comparison to others. </p>
<p>(A quick example that may or may not hold up: Why don&#8217;t people bitch at Boris Johnson just as loudly for putting money before politics? I&#8217;m sure someone could dig through his Spectator editorship vs his voting record and find one or two discrepancies.)</p>
<p>Lastly, on the subject of Rumsfeld/Hussein/etc, I don&#8217;t make that point because I see it as two wrongs making a right. Rumsfeld&#8217;s trip to Iraq pulls the blanket off the shitty, ugly reality of world politics &#8211; that &#8220;this person/country is good&#8221; and &#8220;this person/country is evil&#8221; are relativisms wielded by politicians to keep the rest of us in line with where they want to take their policies &#8211; they are lies.<br />
By contrast, I comprehend (though perhaps I am false in this) Galloway&#8217;s trip as an effort to go and understand the perspective of our enemy. One of the great truths of our current political circumstances is that we have gotten ourselves repeatedly into trouble by deciding we know what our enemies think and then acting according to that. If we put more effort into figuring out the thinking of our enemies, rather than just assuming we know, then we would be able to come up with more intelligent ways of countering them.<br />
Understood in those terms, Galloway&#8217;s trip is far more honourable than Rumsfeld&#8217;s trip, but yet he is always the one to get shit flinged at him for it.</p>
<p>This comment is already stupidly long, so I&#8217;ll stop there.</p>
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		<title>By: doctorvee</title>
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		<dc:creator>doctorvee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 20:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...And that by extension, for most people, it is just another product to be sold to them, by clever marketing, when itâ€™s time to â€˜buyâ€™ again?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Don&#039;t really understand what you mean here... An interest is defined as a product that&#039;s sold to people?

I think your second paragraph is more sensible. We are indeed in an oligarchy. That&#039;s probably inevitable in a representative democracy. Indeed, it is probably the oligarchic nature of our democracy that turns people off politics. And who can blame them?

Yesterday -- if I wasn&#039;t imagining it -- when I was flicking through the channels I saw George Galloway pretending he was a cat. I really don&#039;t see how anybody can possibly defend this as being some how good for politics.

All the time he is in there alongside a bunch of total nutcases, of whom he is one, and he isn&#039;t doing the job that the voters elected him for and the taxpayers pay him for. Not that this makes a change: as the residents of Glasgow Kelvin were completely forgotten about in the middle of the last Parliament so that he could practice his Muslim impersonation and go down to Bethnal Green and Bow.

And when he missed a crucial vote on anti-terror legislation -- when there were just two votes in it -- he was away making money on his lecture tour. He&#039;s the perfect capitalist, you see? Making money comes before parliamentary duties.

I think a lot of shit is being spoken, from both sides. But Galloway deserves this vilification. Imagine what the left would be saying if a Blairite or a Tory MP decided to go into the Big Brother house?! They&#039;d never stop complaining about it -- and quite rightly.

And I absolutely hate it when anybody brings up Donald Rumsfeld&#039;s meetings with Saddam Hussein -- as if it excuses George Galloway&#039;s. Both were deplorable. Two wrongs don&#039;t make a right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;And that by extension, for most people, it is just another product to be sold to them, by clever marketing, when itâ€™s time to â€˜buyâ€™ again?</p></blockquote>
<p>Don&#8217;t really understand what you mean here&#8230; An interest is defined as a product that&#8217;s sold to people?</p>
<p>I think your second paragraph is more sensible. We are indeed in an oligarchy. That&#8217;s probably inevitable in a representative democracy. Indeed, it is probably the oligarchic nature of our democracy that turns people off politics. And who can blame them?</p>
<p>Yesterday &#8212; if I wasn&#8217;t imagining it &#8212; when I was flicking through the channels I saw George Galloway pretending he was a cat. I really don&#8217;t see how anybody can possibly defend this as being some how good for politics.</p>
<p>All the time he is in there alongside a bunch of total nutcases, of whom he is one, and he isn&#8217;t doing the job that the voters elected him for and the taxpayers pay him for. Not that this makes a change: as the residents of Glasgow Kelvin were completely forgotten about in the middle of the last Parliament so that he could practice his Muslim impersonation and go down to Bethnal Green and Bow.</p>
<p>And when he missed a crucial vote on anti-terror legislation &#8212; when there were just two votes in it &#8212; he was away making money on his lecture tour. He&#8217;s the perfect capitalist, you see? Making money comes before parliamentary duties.</p>
<p>I think a lot of shit is being spoken, from both sides. But Galloway deserves this vilification. Imagine what the left would be saying if a Blairite or a Tory MP decided to go into the Big Brother house?! They&#8217;d never stop complaining about it &#8212; and quite rightly.</p>
<p>And I absolutely hate it when anybody brings up Donald Rumsfeld&#8217;s meetings with Saddam Hussein &#8212; as if it excuses George Galloway&#8217;s. Both were deplorable. Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderMonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>SpiderMonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 17:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t you think there&#039;s an awful lot wrong with the perspective that politics is just-another-interest, next to football, etc? And that by extension, for most people, it is just another product to be sold to them, by clever marketing, when it&#039;s time to &#039;buy&#039; again?

Don&#039;t you think that necessarily puts us on the road to an oligarchy (assuming we aren&#039;t there already), where politicians only have to make decisions for the benefit of that small percentage of people who will listen to what they are really saying? Or is an oligarchy okay/inevitable whatever?

You can also count me as the third person who, at least, can&#039;t see any harm being done by Galloway being in the BB house. Just about everything he ever says is dismissed by ad hominem attacks. The media go to such efforts to portray him as a nutter who has lost the plot/pure evil/etc (&quot;OMG the guy who met Saddam Hussein! No! Not Donald Rumsfeld, we don&#039;t talk about that anymore! George Galloway, stupid! Isn&#039;t he evil for meeting Saddam! Look, just shut up about Rumsfeld okay, that doesn&#039;t count.&quot;) on the order of Abu Hamza/other genuine nutters. Being in the BB house, even if he&#039;s not talking politics, is a good way for him to defend himself against these attacks, by establishing himself as a &#039;normal&#039; person (whatever &#039;normal&#039; means, but he has to look normal up against the psychological problems most of those celebrities seem to have).

Dissenting voices are extremely healthy for a democracy, and I think it&#039;s important to listen to them properly, even if you then end up deciding you don&#039;t agree with them. For example, The Iraq War would&#039;ve worked out a lot better if we&#039;d listened more to the gradient of voices that he represents the extreme end of. So the sooner we can stop smearing those voices and putting our fingers in our ears and going &quot;LALALA&quot;, the healthier our democracy will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t you think there&#8217;s an awful lot wrong with the perspective that politics is just-another-interest, next to football, etc? And that by extension, for most people, it is just another product to be sold to them, by clever marketing, when it&#8217;s time to &#8216;buy&#8217; again?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that necessarily puts us on the road to an oligarchy (assuming we aren&#8217;t there already), where politicians only have to make decisions for the benefit of that small percentage of people who will listen to what they are really saying? Or is an oligarchy okay/inevitable whatever?</p>
<p>You can also count me as the third person who, at least, can&#8217;t see any harm being done by Galloway being in the BB house. Just about everything he ever says is dismissed by ad hominem attacks. The media go to such efforts to portray him as a nutter who has lost the plot/pure evil/etc (&#8220;OMG the guy who met Saddam Hussein! No! Not Donald Rumsfeld, we don&#8217;t talk about that anymore! George Galloway, stupid! Isn&#8217;t he evil for meeting Saddam! Look, just shut up about Rumsfeld okay, that doesn&#8217;t count.&#8221;) on the order of Abu Hamza/other genuine nutters. Being in the BB house, even if he&#8217;s not talking politics, is a good way for him to defend himself against these attacks, by establishing himself as a &#8216;normal&#8217; person (whatever &#8216;normal&#8217; means, but he has to look normal up against the psychological problems most of those celebrities seem to have).</p>
<p>Dissenting voices are extremely healthy for a democracy, and I think it&#8217;s important to listen to them properly, even if you then end up deciding you don&#8217;t agree with them. For example, The Iraq War would&#8217;ve worked out a lot better if we&#8217;d listened more to the gradient of voices that he represents the extreme end of. So the sooner we can stop smearing those voices and putting our fingers in our ears and going &#8220;LALALA&#8221;, the healthier our democracy will be.</p>
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		<title>By: tom./</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooo errr. *Somebody* has a blog. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Zebrality.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 18:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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Big Brother viewers are the REAL clever ones...</description>
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<p>Big Brother viewers are the REAL clever ones&#8230;</p>
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